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Post by 36fan on May 31, 2020 9:08:58 GMT -5
What happened in Louisville Friday night was not "a protest that turned violent." It was straight-up criminal activity, probable organized and planned. Idiots were using hammers to break business windows. Did they just happen upon a supply of hammers and got mad? No, it was pre-meditated. I read interviews with a few restaurant owners that were just recently allowed to reopen, but now will have more down time and repair cost. One of the local news reporters got shot with a pepper ball (not sure what that is) by a police officer. Of course, the drama began immediately. What they are not reporting is the fact that the news crew was warned several times that the particular area was being cleared with no exceptions. They wouldn't leave, so they were given some motivation. Pepper balls are paintballs that are filled with "pepper" powder (think pepper spray) instead of vegetable oil based paint. They are shot out of paintball guns and are typically shot over "protestor's" head into a wall so the powder falls down on the crowd to make them want to disperse. But when they are in the middle of the street, you can't shoot the wall behind them, and are shot into the crowd instead. |
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Post by medic22 on May 31, 2020 13:08:27 GMT -5
Ive been downwind of pepper balls during a near riot outside a bar in downtown evansville (I was working). Theyre pretty effective.
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Post by boman on May 31, 2020 16:39:08 GMT -5
They were using pava(10 times more powerful than pepper spray) or cs or a combination of both in Indianapolis last night and fireing it into the ground based on the hits I could see in the streets this morning. Lots of the powder still evident and got a good dose along with the people cleaning up a sidewalk/restaurant on the corner of Maryland and Penn. burnt the heck out of my nose and coughing fit---smelled like cs.
FWIW---Downtown Indianapolis is a mess. Almost have to see it to believe it and I was there after a lot of the streets and sidewalks had already been cleaned this morning. Two nights of riots have pretty much taken out 60 to 75%(conservative) of the windows in a 4 by 5 block area with the circle being ground zero. No real evidence of serious arson damage but I guess it wasn't from lack of trying. two buildings had fires set but they were extinguished quickly. Graffiti everywhere defacing the monument and a lot of buildings and boarded up windows which were apparently placed Saturday morning after Friday nights preliminaries. The circle is paved with brick and there were several areas where they had been removed to use as projectiles. T J Max looked like it had been looted and one entrance to circle center mall was compromised. Probably lots more looting.
Going to be another interesting night I suspect even though we are now uder a 8 O'clock curfew.
Steve
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Post by boman on May 31, 2020 16:50:42 GMT -5
cvs outside corner of circle  |
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Post by boman on May 31, 2020 16:52:27 GMT -5
T-mobile  |
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Post by boman on May 31, 2020 16:54:54 GMT -5
Some clean-up corner of Ohio and Penn. boarded up windows in background  20200531_105114 by s, on Flickr |
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Post by greghopper on May 31, 2020 17:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by bill9068 on May 31, 2020 18:18:43 GMT -5
We have the right to assemble and to peacefully assemble and to petition for redress. We do not have the right to revolt unless you win the revolution and then take control. In that case you can do what you want as you are in control. The US Government has been putting down revolts ever since the Whiskey Rebellion. IMHO the Governors did not act with enough force and timely enough. We have a rebellion on our hands and if force is not used it will just continue to build and get worse. I was watching Philadelphia burn last night. SMH. this is getting way out of hand. People are mad and it's not just about the Floyd guy. Here in Evansville, IN we had over 200 protestors standing face to face with the Evansville Police in front of our Civic Center. There times are hard on everyone and people are so frustrated by all that is going on. I too am so thankful that I live out in the country which is now the suburbs. It use to be a lot quieter where I am now. We have way too many people these days. What side of town? I’m on Saint Wendell Road. |
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Post by greghopper on May 31, 2020 18:32:30 GMT -5
This isn’t going to stop until the good guys are willing to use overwhelming force against the bad guys!
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Post by firstwd on May 31, 2020 18:40:02 GMT -5
This isn’t going to stop until the good guys are willing to use overwhelming force against the bad guys! And that's what they're counting on since a strong hand plays right into their narrative. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 31, 2020 18:50:41 GMT -5
Got to admit..
I tuned in CNN.
I can not stand Chris Wallace so I switched from Fox to CNN.
They were covering a stand off between “protesters” and the police. They had on a retired FBI guy that impressed me. He sounded very conservative to me. He talked about the yearly millions of police interactions and the minuscule amounts of civilian deaths and of those 99+ % were justifiable. His name is James A. Gagliano
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Post by moose1am on May 31, 2020 18:59:36 GMT -5
This isn’t going to stop until the good guys are willing to use overwhelming force against the bad guys! The National Guard is armed with real guns not non lethal force. And they are not used to actively enforcing civilian laws. The regular police are on the streets on a daily basis but these NG guys are not acclimated to that type of policing. I have no idea what's going to happen in the future. But I think you are right. People are not dumb. They know when the shooting starts and protestors start dying it's time to go home. Until they they will continue to riot and loot and burn. |
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Post by moose1am on May 31, 2020 19:02:07 GMT -5
Got to admit.. I tuned in CNN. I can not stand Chris Wallace so I switched from Fox to CNN. They were covering a stand off between “protesters” and the police. They had on a retired FBI guy that impressed me. He sounded very conservative to me. He talked about the yearly millions of police interactions and the minuscule amounts of civilian deaths and of those 99+ % were justifiable. His name is James A. Gagliano That is funny to me. As I'm watching Fox right now. I'm switching back and forth between the three major cable news channels to see what each are coving. I'm waiting to see some police or NG to start shooting the looters. That is a message that they understand. Back when I was younger in the 1960's I saw the police and fire use water cannons to quell protestors. |
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Post by sakorifle on May 31, 2020 19:08:43 GMT -5
greetings
watching from over the pond all sad no sense to it all.
Regards
Billy.
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Post by firstwd on May 31, 2020 20:17:20 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea why the water cannons haven't shown up yet. Unless they were deemed cruel and taken out of service at some point.
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Post by Pinoc on May 31, 2020 20:46:39 GMT -5
This will probably be taken the wrong way and if so so be it but it is sad seeing these young white kids with the black lives matter signs that have been sheltered their whole life and have no idea how cruel this world can be. I believe “all” lives matter by the way.
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Post by greghopper on May 31, 2020 20:56:24 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea why the water cannons haven't shown up yet. Unless they were deemed cruel and taken out of service at some point. About 3 days of steady Rain would help slow some down. |
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Post by mgderf on May 31, 2020 21:22:38 GMT -5
Well, I guess we're done with "social distancing", at least for now.
So, there is that...
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Post by Woody Williams on May 31, 2020 22:39:03 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea why the water cannons haven't shown up yet. Unless they were deemed cruel and taken out of service at some point. \ Agreed… The LEOs are being too easy on them. BUT... I did see where two cops got fired immediately because they tased some non compliants. Thats wrong. This is not going to help race relations when all of America is seeing this looting and burning going on. Nothing says "justice" like stealing big screen TVs.. The rioters even put a torch to an old church in DC across from the WH. No shame at all... I don't think Trump can send in the military unless the governor or mayor asks for them.. Sad world we live in right now, but I keep telling myself God is in control and it will work out. . |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 1, 2020 9:00:16 GMT -5
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