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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2020 15:44:09 GMT -5
www.in.gov/nrc/2350.htmThe Natural Resource Commission is next scheduled to meet, by virtual meeting on May 19, 2020, at 10:00 a.m., ET (9:00 a.m., CT) using Cisco Webex. Instructions on how to loin the meeting are posted below and on the agenda. The meeting agenda is now available. MAY 19, 2020 MEETING AGENDA Joining the Meeting: The Natural Resources Commission will conduct its May 19, 2020 meeting using Webex. There are two ways to join the meeting. By Phone: To join using only audio, dial 415-655-0001, when prompted enter access code 472 224 394. By Computer: To join using video, you may click the link below and use the provided meeting number and password. Please Note: If you have never used Webex, we suggest that you begin the process at least 10 minutes early because you will be prompted to download Webex before joining the meeting. . indiana.webex.com/indiana/j.php?MTID=m739f22c977cc0243aad41c80450d3d8a Meeting number: 472 224 394 Meeting password: AQdGh87KV7K After you have joined the meeting, please mute your microphone immediately to reduce feedback. If recognized by Chairman Poynter, you may unmute your microphone for necessary discussion. If you need technical assistance please contact Billie Davis at 317-232-0156 or bidavis@nrc.in.gov. Public Questions and Comments:Must be submitted to Scott Allen at sallen@nrc.in.gov not later than 4:00 p.m. ET (3:00 p.m. CT) on May 18, 2020. Provide your first and last name and clearly identify the agenda item when making a comment or asking a question.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2020 15:45:15 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2020 15:49:41 GMT -5
Agenda #5..
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Citizen Petition: Allow the use of 28 gauge, .410 shotgun, and No. 9 tungsten super shot loads for wild turkey hunting; Administrative Cause No. 18-058D and 20-FW-031
DNR staff reviewed the citizen’s petition pertaining to shot and gauge restrictions for shotguns for wild turkey hunting, i.e., specifically to allow the use of 28 gauge and .410 gauge and No. 9 tungsten super shot loads. After additional review, DNR staff have determined that the .410 gauge and 28 gauge shotguns would be efficient in killing a turkey up to 40 yards and could be added to the equipment allowed to take a wild turkey in Indiana. There would likely not be an increased risk for humanrelated shooting accidents and non-target turkey crippling/kills with shots taken at a distance up to 40 yards. Additionally, the DNR is proposing to allow the No. 9 shot, but only with tungsten super shot (TSS) loads. Recent information has indicated that .410 shells loaded with TSS are effective for wild turkeys and are being recommended for youth as well as others who want less recoil than that of the magnum turkey loads.
Kentucky and Michigan allow these shotguns with shot no larger than No. 4. Ohio allows 10 gauge or smaller shotguns using shot of any size, while Illinois does not allow the .410 or 28 gauge to be used for turkey hunting. In a recent survey of twenty-five states, none have recorded any incidents involving No. 9 shot or an increase in accidents where the .410 was a factor.
In conclusion, the DNR supports the request to allow the 28 gauge and .410 for wild turkey hunting, as well as the No. 9 shot with TSS loads only. If approved, the DNR plans to come back to the Commission with a rule proposal for preliminary adoption with these changes in 312 IAC 9-4-11 at a future meeting.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2020 15:53:24 GMT -5
Agenda #6..
Citizen Petition: Allow a muzzleloader to be used that allows the powder in a muzzleloader to be loaded from the breech end; Administrative Cause No. 20-FW-021
DNR reviewed the citizen’s petition pertaining to the loading of muzzleloaders with a new option available that allows both the powder and the primer to be loaded from the breech end of a muzzleloader. Most muzzleloaders on the market currently require that the bullet/sabot and the powder be manually loaded through the muzzle, and the primer is loaded from the breech end. However, new technology has been developed with a system that allows both the powder and primer to be safely loaded from the breech end, while the bullet is loaded from the muzzle. This allows the powder to stay dry, as well as help ensure a consistent and reliable source of powder. This new option, called the FireStick™ system, still only allows one bullet/sabot to be fired at one time, and the powder, primer, and bullet must be re- loaded to fire another shot. This proposed change would not change the season when muzzleloaders could be used, but would allow additional muzzleloaders to be used during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons, as currently set forth in administrative code in 312 IAC 9-3-4. Muzzleloaders with this new system would also not increase the range that many other fifty (50) caliber in-line muzzleloaders are currently capable of shooting already in Indiana. The DNR supports the request to allow this change in the rule governing muzzleloaders that can be used for deer hunting and requests approval to come back to the Commission with a rule proposal that would make this change in 312 IAC 9-3-3 to remove the sentence that a muzzleloading gun be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including the powder
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Post by Woody Williams on May 12, 2020 15:55:20 GMT -5
What I found interesting is the "Citizen's petition" on the breech loading muzzleloader was not from an Indiana "citizen" but from the manufacturer in Minnesota.
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Post by parrothead on May 12, 2020 16:07:31 GMT -5
Glad to see the 410 and 28 coming into play. I have used 8.5 TSS for out of state hunts for years.
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Post by jman46151 on May 12, 2020 16:12:51 GMT -5
I might actually be able to finally "attend" one of these meetings. Always wanted to but could never seem to get off of work.
Wasn't there a thread on here recently regarding the breech loading muzzleloader that Traditions is coming out with? I thought they were based out of the east coast somewhere though.
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Post by greghopper on May 13, 2020 5:22:18 GMT -5
Agenda #5.. 1 Citizen Petition: Allow the use of 28 gauge, .410 shotgun, and No. 9 tungsten super shot loads for wild turkey hunting; Administrative Cause No. 18-058D and 20-FW-031 DNR staff reviewed the citizen’s petition pertaining to shot and gauge restrictions for shotguns for wild turkey hunting, i.e., specifically to allow the use of 28 gauge and .410 gauge and No. 9 tungsten super shot loads. After additional review, DNR staff have determined that the .410 gauge and 28 gauge shotguns would be efficient in killing a turkey up to 40 yards and could be added to the equipment allowed to take a wild turkey in Indiana. There would likely not be an increased risk for humanrelated shooting accidents and non-target turkey crippling/kills with shots taken at a distance up to 40 yards. Additionally, the DNR is proposing to allow the No. 9 shot, but only with tungsten super shot (TSS) loads. Recent information has indicated that .410 shells loaded with TSS are effective for wild turkeys and are being recommended for youth as well as others who want less recoil than that of the magnum turkey loads. Kentucky and Michigan allow these shotguns with shot no larger than No. 4. Ohio allows 10 gauge or smaller shotguns using shot of any size, while Illinois does not allow the .410 or 28 gauge to be used for turkey hunting. In a recent survey of twenty-five states, none have recorded any incidents involving No. 9 shot or an increase in accidents where the .410 was a factor. In conclusion, the DNR supports the request to allow the 28 gauge and .410 for wild turkey hunting, as well as the No. 9 shot with TSS loads only. If approved, the DNR plans to come back to the Commission with a rule proposal for preliminary adoption with these changes in 312 IAC 9-4-11 at a future meeting. So if someone wants to use a .410 for turkey. What is the allowable shot size or sizes? Surely not just the high dollar No. 9 TSS loads Only.... |
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Post by firstwd on May 13, 2020 7:48:49 GMT -5
Since they are asking to add the 410, 28, and #9 shot I would believe all other current regulations would stand to include current shot sizes
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Post by greghopper on May 13, 2020 9:13:55 GMT -5
Since they are asking to add the 410, 28, and #9 shot I would believe all other current regulations would stand to include current shot sizes So the #9 TSS will be legal in all gauges also you think? |
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Post by boman on May 13, 2020 9:23:44 GMT -5
Since they are asking to add the 410, 28, and #9 shot I would believe all other current regulations would stand to include current shot sizes So the #9 TSS will be legal in all gauges also you think? That's the way I read it Steve |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 13, 2020 9:27:12 GMT -5
I havent seen the mark up yet but I'm guessing that the #9 TSS would be required for the 410s and 28s and would be available in any other gauge for hunters to use. That makes the most sense to me. I cant imagine them saying the #9 TSS could only be used in 410s and 28s?
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Post by omegahunter on May 13, 2020 14:17:40 GMT -5
What I found interesting is the "Citizen's petition" on the breech loading muzzleloader was not from an Indiana "citizen" but from the manufacturer in Minnesota. Then it is not a citizen petition and should be thrown out. Indiana does not need manufacturers influencing our regs. |
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Post by firstwd on May 13, 2020 18:05:00 GMT -5
I havent seen the mark up yet but I'm guessing that the #9 TSS would be required for the 410s and 28s and would be available in any other gauge for hunters to use. That makes the most sense to me. I cant imagine them saying the #9 TSS could only be used in 410s and 28s? Now that wouldn't be right. I wouldn't think they would require one specific round for those gauges unless it was completely written that way. Right now it's two separate issues. |
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Post by stevein on May 13, 2020 23:01:30 GMT -5
I might actually be able to finally "attend" one of these meetings. Always wanted to but could never seem to get off of work. Wasn't there a thread on here recently regarding the breech loading muzzleloader that Traditions is coming out with? I thought they were based out of the east coast somewhere though. Federal is in Anoka, Minn. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 23, 2020 10:12:51 GMT -5
Anyone have an update on what transpired??
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Post by Ahawkeye on May 23, 2020 10:52:02 GMT -5
Would we ever be able to get bobcats back on the agenda? I think the anti’s got us by surprise on that one. I’d be willing to make the meeting to give our side of things or at least get that meeting to be done behind closed doors to avoid bleeding hearts.
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Post by stevein on May 23, 2020 11:38:22 GMT -5
Anyone have an update on what transpired?? I had trouble hearing a lot of the comments. I was listening on my phone and volumne was up and down. Also cutting out. My first experience with a live broadcast as was theirs I think. The .410 they voted to advance with futher study. Concern was that improper wording they would be permoting a single brand of ammo/shot. I do not think gauges other were mentioned. The Firestick was about the same as the .410. They did mention more oposition to allowing it. It was voted to advance with futher study. Wording was a concern. The primative ML season was voted down I think. Again I had a hard time hearing it. At some point I fell asleep. There is a lot of dead air and dull topics. Sorry for this poor report |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 23, 2020 11:47:47 GMT -5
Thanks stevein..
I wonder what “further study” means?
TSS is not a brand but a type of shot..
They were concerned “about promoting a single brand of shell/Shot” but the Firestick is a certainly a single brand and probably patented..
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Post by greghopper on May 23, 2020 13:17:22 GMT -5
Anyone have an update on what transpired?? I had trouble hearing a lot of the comments. I was listening on my phone and volumne was up and down. Also cutting out. My first experience with a live broadcast as was theirs I think. The .410 they voted to advance with futher study. Concern was that improper wording they would be permoting a single brand of ammo/shot. I do not think gauges other were mentioned. The Firestick was about the same as the .410. They did mention more oposition to allowing it. It was voted to advance with futher study. Wording was a concern. The primative ML season was voted down I think. Again I had a hard time hearing it. At some point I fell asleep. There is a lot of dead air and dull topics. Sorry for this poor report Got link you used to watch? |
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