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Post by onebentarrow on Mar 21, 2020 1:44:51 GMT -5
I expect to catch some flack from this post but here it goes. From what I gather the government can not stop the spread of this virus and the implantation of closing shops and business is not to stop it. It is to slow the spread so the health care system is not overloaded with EVERYONE being sick at the same time with no hospital beds and equipment for ALL the sick. By slowing the spread the people that need serious care will be able to get it thus saving lives as apposed to hospital haveing to decide who gets medical care and who does not. This is where the not if but the when comes in to play. It appears that we all will be exposed to this some time in the near to distant future no matter how much social distancing we do. (Or any thing else) We will either breese thru it unscaved or it will knock us on our buts. I for one want to know when I get it that there will be available health care to help me win the fight if it is needed. I do not want to place my survival in the hands of some one else because they HAVE to make the decision on who lives and who dies because they do not have enough facilities,meds,equipment,staffing or what ever and we all know that the young and healthy will receive care befor the older and not so vibrant. I do not like this stay at home, social distanceing stuff and I feel for any one that is loosing wages because of it but being retired I am luckey I am staying home. freezers are full and pantry is full. I will tinker in the yard/shed,cut and split wood,fish off pier. I will have to venture to town for gas for saws,boat, woodsplitter and truck. Diesel for tractor. Maby market for milk,eggs,cheese,bread and such but I will take hand sanitizer and use it after each stop befor I get in the truck. I am not scared of this virus but I do not want to be a victim of it because of health care collapse because I did not do all I could to SLOOOOOW the pace of infection. Bellyaching about the stuff comming down the pipe will not help. We all need to man up and do what we can in this terrible time to slow the spread so we do not make it a real catastrophe instead of a tough time in our lives.
This is what I have gathered and what I think. It is not aimed at anyone or a put down to anyone's thought process.
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Post by deadeer on Mar 21, 2020 2:09:15 GMT -5
Solid logic and thinking. Hope to see you on the other side brother.
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Post by esshup on Mar 21, 2020 9:11:24 GMT -5
I agree with what you said. I believe the only reason why they didn't put a lockdown on the whole country at once is the panic that they would have. Phase it in like they are doing and feed the info to us in small doses to make it easier to swallow.
That's why I did the running around that I did this past week. All available gas/fuel cans are filled with the exception of a few one gallon cans. It'll take a long while to go thru 6 gallons of gas in the saws, the only other things that use gas are the wood splitter and the garden tractor. Truck and tractor are diesel and I may call for fuel once I look the tanks over and change the one fill hose - it's been out in the sun for a LONG time and has surface cracks. There is a replacement in the barn.
A buddy works as a supervisor for a contractor. Since they deal with many people that are on government programs, they are considered an "essential" business. They just had everybody file for unemployment, not because they don't have work, it's because their suppliers aren't open to get supplies to do the work they have.
Same for the truck and auto repair guys. They are open, but what about where they get parts and supplies from? How far back up the food chain do you go before that supplier is shut down?
I'm set and I could hide here for a few weeks, the only thinng is Mom, but she's only 7 miles away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 9:54:53 GMT -5
There`s a fine line between ensuring public safety, and trampling the Constitution. My first instinct is to bristle at the potential of being mandated to stay away from work and everyone. We`re free people and can go wherever we want, whenever we want.
Conversely, working at a hospital, I know how overloaded the system can be. Even without a wide ranging virus, it`s not uncommon on any given day for all the beds in the hospital to be full, and have to defer patients to other hospitals who do have available space.
As someone said in another thread, I believe this is an overreach, I believe the virus has been sensationalized by the media, and it`s unthinkable to me that the global economy is being shut down over a virus less prolific and deadly than influenza.
Nevertheless, here we are. They`ve had us screening patients and guests as they enter the hospital: 1) Have you been to Europe, China, Ireland, Iran, South Korea, or anywhere outside the U.S. in the last 21 days? 2) Have you had close contact with someone known or suspected to have COVID-19? 3) Have you developed new symptoms of shortness of breath, cough, sore throat or fever in the last 21 days?
There are no visitors being allowed in for those admitted into the hospital, and very limited guests allowed for those with either inpatient or outpatient testing or procedures.
Although we`re not medical personnel, we`re still on the "front lines". Should we be getting "hazard pay"? I would have thought so, and we`re not, but, so far at least, we`re still working. This is a retirement job, but we still count on this to keep us afloat until Social Security kicks in. I don`t know what we`ll do if/when the time comes that they send us home for some period of time like so many others are dealing with.
This is some messed up stuff. I`m frustrated and confused by it all. I don`t get the hysteria manufactured by the media, but, I know they have an agenda, and they`re always working to further that agenda. Does this fall into end times prophecy? I just don`t know, because I`m still not convinced this is a viable threat.
I`m trying to be more open to the possibility that this could be a serious threat, but I`m not going to dive off the deep end like some. I hope to observe, try to reason through by looking at facts, i.e., numbers and impact due to the virus, not impact due solely to the effects of the hysteria, because there`s a difference.
Time will tell whether all the panic was warranted, whether our elected employees protected us, or did us a disservice by curtailing our rights as sovereign United States citizens. They seem to feel that if they`re going to err, they should err on the side of public safety no matter the cost. Understanding that the United States Constitution is the Law of the Land, the fact is, if they err, they ought to err on the side of constitutional freedoms and liberties.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 9:57:57 GMT -5
I've heard from good military sources that it will be over by April 10th. Start seeing big improvements in 9 days or so. I pray this is right. Hopefully, just 2 more weeks.
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Post by welder on Mar 21, 2020 10:06:46 GMT -5
I've heard from good military sources that it will be over by April 10th. Start seeing big improvements in 9 days or so. I pray this is right. Hopefully, just 2 more weeks. For whatever reason, I am in agreement with you. I am not a doctor or scientist, but I firmly believe this will pass faster than anticipated.
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Post by swetz on Mar 21, 2020 11:17:14 GMT -5
I posted in another other thread my thoughts specifically, but they largely agree with what you said.
I'm in a low risk group and I don't have an issue with dealing with what are largely minor inconveniences for me to try to help protect those in the high risk groups. I'm just grateful to be in the position I am. A lot of people have it a lot worse than me right now.
I figure if we can slow the spread a bit and give the medical system some time to catch up on acquiring resources and figure out developing treatment protocols for the infected, we can hopefully get back to normal faster.
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Post by treetop on Mar 21, 2020 12:28:47 GMT -5
I believe this is very serious and needs addressing like we’ve never seen but I also believe it’s being way overblown by the media.
The unknown is were I’m having trouble with doing HVAC is that a essential job I don’t know right now you could live with out heat or ac or a good share of the US could right now anyway yes it maybe a bit uncomfortable but it could be done.
So do I just keep the service guys working and send the rest home but than I expose the service guys and take a huge hit in income with half the guys at home and they also take a hit, I don’t know but we’re still working as of this Monday I told the builders we work with we will be the only people on the job or my guys are gone I don’t care if it cost them money at this time. They can no longer go to the warehouse and buy materials I’ll have them delivered or I’ll pick them up and bring them.
Problem is a lot of our warehouse people are doing the same so getting materials is getting hard right now you must call your order in they’ll pull them and stack them in the dock or lot your own your own from there no walking in and ordering We’re starting at different times so we don’t have to be around each other but a lot of work can’t be done by yourself.
I’ve read on here we’re people think the boss is only worried about profit and sitting on his couch at home in safety some are I’m sure of that, but there is a lot of guys just like me that don’t have any idea on what to do next and have lost lots of sleep trying to figure out what’s best for them and there employee I for one have no desire to be in these shoes right now it’s extremely hard to be
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Post by esshup on Mar 21, 2020 13:47:27 GMT -5
Ditto Treetop. If the climate was different, your business would be different. It's still cold enough that heat is needed. Supplies are a quandary, if a business needs to stay running, how far back down (up?) the supply chain do you say that it needs to stay running?
I don't buy into the chicken little side of things, BUT I am making sure that I am prepared if it does happen and we are turned into Italy or a country like that with everyone required to stay at home. The difference I believe is the population density. areas with higher density (people per square foot) is more at risk and needs to take a different approach than a place that has a far less people density.
I am looking at kicking off my delivery season in a few weeks, hopefully we will be allowed to travel for the deliveries, and for picking up supplies. If not, it will be a very lean Spring. I don't want to be that person that is responsible for carrying the virus around from customer to customer, and then bringing ti to my 90+ year old mother. I feel that all I can do is to take the appropriate precautions, and hope for the best.
I saw an article that said EVERYONE in the USA will be exposed to it at some point, but not everyone will get sick. BUT if a person is exposed to it, isn't sick and can spread it to others that CAN get sick, then what? I guess it's in the hands of GOD at that point.
I equate this as about anything else that happens in our lives that can kill us. I'm talking about crossing the street, driving the car, etc. You take the precautions that you deem necessary and you go on with your life. If you are sick, stay home. If you were driving a car that didn't have brakes, you wouldn't be out on the road, would you? Hell no. you'd be parking the car until it was fixed. I look at this as being no different.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 21, 2020 14:24:07 GMT -5
New Jersey just joined the list of states mandating lockdowns.
Quote from their Governor:
"“All gatherings are canceled. This means no weddings, no funerals or birthday parties. I don’t take this action lightly, but my goal is to make sure you can gather safely with family and friends later...Now, you can still take a walk outside, go buy groceries, or get takeout from the local restaurants you want to support, but if you do, continue to practice social distancing. Otherwise, we need you to stay at home.”
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Post by welder on Mar 21, 2020 15:37:48 GMT -5
New Jersey just joined the list of states mandating lockdowns. Quote from their Governor: "“All gatherings are canceled. This means no weddings, no funerals or birthday parties. I don’t take this action lightly, but my goal is to make sure you can gather safely with family and friends later...Now, you can still take a walk outside, go buy groceries, or get takeout from the local restaurants you want to support, but if you do, continue to practice social distancing. Otherwise, we need you to stay at home.” Not really surprising. IF people would realize that "lockdown" means as stated above and NOT lock yourself in the house for 2 weeks, I believe there would be much less panic.
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Post by ms660 on Mar 21, 2020 22:35:21 GMT -5
Looking at this governor definition of lockdown, I have been in lockdown most of my life.
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Post by duff on Mar 22, 2020 3:14:28 GMT -5
The health care system is already impaired. It is different now than 2 weeks ago and worlds apart where it was 2 months ago.
The cure will cripple us. It already is. Much like a cancer patient who goes through aggressive treatments. We have all asked ourselves, if in that condition would I put myself through that or would I try to enjoy the rest of my time with my family?
This time it is more about the community vs an individual decision.
The social pressure is intense. Each individual is easy to say my rights are most important. I do not envy you business owners. You have customers that have needs and employees that have needs. You afte pursued to remain open and yet closed at the sake time. Employees feel you are putting them at extra risk.
Supply chain is crumbling. That will be the straw.
I am fortunate in my situation. I can hang out a while. I am afraid what the new normal looks like after we make it to the other side of this. Liberties lost are given. Much like the patriot act took away rights all in efforts to protect us. Same as going through metal detectors everywhere. We take shoes off to board planes because ONE guy failed to blow up a plane...only thing constant is change!
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Post by beermaker on Mar 22, 2020 6:40:14 GMT -5
New Jersey just joined the list of states mandating lockdowns. Quote from their Governor: "“All gatherings are canceled. This means no weddings, no funerals or birthday parties. I don’t take this action lightly, but my goal is to make sure you can gather safely with family and friends later...Now, you can still take a walk outside, go buy groceries, or get takeout from the local restaurants you want to support, but if you do, continue to practice social distancing. Otherwise, we need you to stay at home.” Not really surprising. IF people would realize that "lockdown" means as stated above and NOT lock yourself in the house for 2 weeks, I believe there would be much less panic. Yes, and you can thank the media for most of the hysteria. By reading the headlines Friday morning, one would get the impression that CA was going to shoot anyone caught outside on-sight. But, when you read the factual guidelines, it's the same as NJ. If staying home for two weeks and Hobby Lobby not being open is what it takes to end this, so be it and let's get it over with. The sooner we start, the sooner we finish.
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Post by esshup on Mar 22, 2020 10:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 22, 2020 10:54:06 GMT -5
They are trying to catch up to New York City.. DeBlasio is sure running his mouth off trying to redirect blame for his city’s woes.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Mar 25, 2020 13:56:23 GMT -5
I don’t believe a half-hearted approach to this virus is going to work. I believe a fully enforced shutdown for as long as it takes is the only way to eradicate this virus. It seems like common sense is a rare commodity these days. Take our lumps and then get back to work. I’m in the process of drafting a living trust for my wife and I if things go bad, from what I read I don’t think either of us would fare well if we got it.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2020 14:18:59 GMT -5
I expect to catch some flack from this post but here it goes. From what I gather the government can not stop the spread of this virus and the implantation of closing shops and business is not to stop it. It is to slow the spread so the health care system is not overloaded with EVERYONE being sick at the same time with no hospital beds and equipment for ALL the sick. By slowing the spread the people that need serious care will be able to get it thus saving lives as apposed to hospital haveing to decide who gets medical care and who does not. This is where the not if but the when comes in to play. It appears that we all will be exposed to this some time in the near to distant future no matter how much social distancing we do. (Or any thing else) We will either breese thru it unscaved or it will knock us on our buts. I for one want to know when I get it that there will be available health care to help me win the fight if it is needed. I do not want to place my survival in the hands of some one else because they HAVE to make the decision on who lives and who dies because they do not have enough facilities,meds,equipment,staffing or what ever and we all know that the young and healthy will receive care befor the older and not so vibrant. I do not like this stay at home, social distanceing stuff and I feel for any one that is loosing wages because of it but being retired I am luckey I am staying home. freezers are full and pantry is full. I will tinker in the yard/shed,cut and split wood,fish off pier. I will have to venture to town for gas for saws,boat, woodsplitter and truck. Diesel for tractor. Maby market for milk,eggs,cheese,bread and such but I will take hand sanitizer and use it after each stop befor I get in the truck. I am not scared of this virus but I do not want to be a victim of it because of health care collapse because I did not do all I could to SLOOOOOW the pace of infection. Bellyaching about the stuff comming down the pipe will not help. We all need to man up and do what we can in this terrible time to slow the spread so we do not make it a real catastrophe instead of a tough time in our lives. This is what I have gathered and what I think. It is not aimed at anyone or a put down to anyone's thought process. Onebentarro Lets all try to FLATTEN THE CURVE and save lives.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 25, 2020 14:27:52 GMT -5
Looking at this governor definition of lockdown, I have been in lockdown most of my life. ha ha Me too. I'm a homebody these days anyway.
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