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Post by firstwd on Feb 27, 2020 11:55:59 GMT -5
^^ nope, I sure as heck dont want air'bows' in my archery season.... they are SHOULDER HELD and fired same as a firearm/ML, I dont want one, but if they include them, they should be only in the firearm season, same as where crossbows should have been put .. ... Crossbows aren't guns. They cast their projectiles just like vertical bows. The difference is the string is held by a mechanical device and released by a trigger mechanism. You know, like mechanical releases have.
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Post by jtv on Feb 27, 2020 12:27:44 GMT -5
uh, Crossbows are held and fired EXACTLY the same way as shoulder fired weapons are and can be shot from a bench, bipods and tripods ... Vertical bows are hand drawn and hand held and must be drawn in the presence of game, which is what makes them more challenging ... Pope and Young dosnt even recognize them ....
Crossbow Policy Statement
The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow.
For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted.
Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting.
The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements
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Post by firstwd on Feb 27, 2020 12:37:57 GMT -5
Does P&Y recognize deer that were shot over food plots, with supplemental feeding or mineral programs, or have a different score scale for people using bows with training wheels?
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Post by jjas on Feb 27, 2020 12:39:17 GMT -5
uh, Crossbows are held and fired EXACTLY the same way as shoulder fired weapons are and can be shot from a bench, bipods and tripods ... Vertical bows are hand drawn and hand held and must be drawn in the presence of game, which is what makes them more challenging ... Pope and Young dosnt even recognize them .... Crossbow Policy Statement The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow. For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted. Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting. The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements Welcome to the forum. The crossbow argument sailed years ago. You (and P&Y) might not agree with it (and that's certainly your/their choice), but I don't see it changing as xbows have been widely accepted as archery equipment just about everywhere and make up a larger part of the archery harvest every season. As far as P&Y goes...it wasn't that long ago that they didn't allow any trophies that were taken with 80% let off compounds, but they do now. I expect they'll take archery kills with crossbows @ some point. They likely will be listed in a separate section of records. But if they don't, I couldn't care less. As far as airbows, etc, I don't see them ending up with either their own season(s) or in the archery season, but likely in the firearms season based on how they operate.
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Post by jjas on Feb 27, 2020 12:45:38 GMT -5
Does P&Y recognize deer that were shot over food plots, with supplemental feeding or mineral programs, or have a different score scale for people using bows with training wheels? What about trophies killed with the assistance of game cameras and cellular game cameras? I wonder if P&Y has a position on that?
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Post by jtv on Feb 27, 2020 12:49:37 GMT -5
no, unfortunately they are here to stay, and my feelings towards the darn things will never change either... carry on ..
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 27, 2020 13:11:48 GMT -5
I cannot imagine a world where the airbow would be legal here during archery season. Firearms season, sure why not.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Feb 27, 2020 13:16:45 GMT -5
Does P&Y recognize deer that were shot over food plots, with supplemental feeding or mineral programs, or have a different score scale for people using bows with training wheels? What about trophies killed with the assistance of game cameras and cellular game cameras? I wonder if P&Y has a position on that? Actually they do.. Hope he isn’t using a trail camera while ethically hunting?!?! [/The Rules of Fair Chase The term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions: Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice. From any power vehicle or power boat. By “jacklighting” or shining at night. By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons. While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures. By the use of any power vehicle or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground. By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached with the exception of lighted nocks and recording devices that cast no light towards the target and do not aid in rangefinding, sighting or shooting the bow. Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable. The fair chase concept does, however, extend beyond the hunt itself; it is an attitude and a way of life based in a deep-seated respect for wildlife, for the environment, and for other individuals who share the bounty of this vast continent’s natural resources.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 27, 2020 13:47:12 GMT -5
^^ nope, I sure as heck dont want air'bows' in my archery season.... they are SHOULDER HELD and fired same as a firearm/ML, I dont want one, but if they include them, they should be only in the firearm season, same as where crossbows should have been put .. ... All hail the almighty bow only public land hunter. I hope airBOWS are put right in the middle of your archery season.
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Post by jtv on Feb 27, 2020 13:58:44 GMT -5
nope, airbows wont be in archery ... ........ btw, I dont hunt over 'food plots' nor use cams or electronics on my bow .... a really proud elitist here ... ;0) ..... smh ...
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Post by jjas on Feb 27, 2020 14:23:40 GMT -5
Muzzleloader
I wonder how many trophies P&Y has not allowed into their record books due to the use of game cameras?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 27, 2020 15:08:58 GMT -5
^^ nope, I sure as heck dont want air'bows' in my archery season.... they are SHOULDER HELD and fired same as a firearm/ML, I dont want one, but if they include them, they should be only in the firearm season, same as where crossbows should have been put .. ... All hail the almighty bow only public land hunter. I hope airBOWS are put right in the middle of your archery season. Me too.. Middle of archery season is firearms! Haha
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Post by welder on Feb 27, 2020 16:08:14 GMT -5
Filled out and done, lifetime license holder. 48 years old,35 deer seasons and 40 or 41 total seasons behind me (no rookie, lol). That being said, I have NEVER heard of an "air bow" or a "sling bow" until now!
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Post by firstwd on Feb 27, 2020 16:19:43 GMT -5
Filled out and done, lifetime license holder. 48 years old,35 deer seasons and 40 or 41 total seasons behind me (no rookie, lol). That being said, I have NEVER heard of an "air bow" or a "sling bow" until now! The airbows are new but sling bow makes me thing atlatl. It's not, but would be fun watching people learn to use one.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 27, 2020 17:09:43 GMT -5
I was cornfused as to what a sling bow and an air bow are, also. Whatever they are, yeah, use them in firearms season if you want, the same place crossbows belong. Seems ridiculous to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:13:08 GMT -5
^^ nope, I sure as heck dont want air'bows' in my archery season.... they are SHOULDER HELD and fired same as a firearm/ML, I dont want one, but if they include them, they should be only in the firearm season, same as where crossbows should have been put .. ... No way they'd put crossBOW in firearms season. That'd be silly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:14:51 GMT -5
uh, Crossbows are held and fired EXACTLY the same way as shoulder fired weapons are and can be shot from a bench, bipods and tripods ... Vertical bows are hand drawn and hand held and must be drawn in the presence of game, which is what makes them more challenging ... Pope and Young dosnt even recognize them .... Crossbow Policy Statement The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow. For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted. Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting. The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements Pope and Young is wrong. They have no moral authority.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 27, 2020 19:22:27 GMT -5
Gents,
Crossbows are not in the Survey. Crossbow useage is a settled issue in Indiana, as well as a lot of other states. Air gun’s, airBOWs and sling bows are in the Survey so discuss that as much as you want.
IOW - stay on topic
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Post by treetop on Feb 27, 2020 19:38:17 GMT -5
Done
Myself I don’t care to add new equipment only because they will add new regulation and rules that I won’t understand much like we have now. Why can’t we just call a pig a pig
I don’t see a big wave of people buying and using them like x bows but I could be wrong
I also wish that they would of had a area were you could of filled in why you answered the way you did I think they would of gotten a better view but I’m glad they attempt to make changes that hopefully will create a better hunting and fishing opportunity for us
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 27, 2020 19:44:40 GMT -5
Got to plead ignorant and went to see what a sling bow is . Like the AirBOW, its not a bow either. It is basically a Wrist Rocket that shoot arrows. For the life of me I can not see that as an adequate deer killing hunting tool. slingbow.com/
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