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Post by esshup on Feb 19, 2020 21:37:42 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok, I am done. I will say one last thing. If your honest with me it shows most of you guys have never hunted with a good coon hound. That had a 100 percent drive and desire to get treed. Nope, never. Just bird dogs, flushers, not pointers.
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Post by budd on Feb 20, 2020 7:24:08 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok, I am done. I will say one last thing. If your honest with me it shows most of you guys have never hunted with a good coon hound. That had a 100 percent drive and desire to get treed. I've owned hounds my whole life, won Indiana state when I was 17 with a 3 year old female, had 5 NTCH's, 2 GRNT's, 2 FC Large Pack on hare beagles, Ran bear in the midwest and all over the east coast, same with bobcat. Currently own labs now, two HRCH MH"S, and a HR SH. Wasnt until I was in my mid 30's before I figured out hounds could be taught to handle like a seeing eye dog. But I do know what your talking about, there are those few that just can't be handled. Turn them loose and the next time you see them is at the tree, wherever, and however faraway that may be.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 20, 2020 9:09:12 GMT -5
A law that I personally worked on with the Minnesota Trail Hound Ass. 97B.011. Dogs pursuing big game (a) A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog: (1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or (2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog. That sure wouldn't fly in Indiana anymore since they passed the law making it illegal to shoot a domestic pet.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 20, 2020 9:10:40 GMT -5
Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. When I Googled Indiana leash law it said Indiana does not have a statewide leash law. Local municipalities create their own laws pertaining to control of animals. Last I heard it is statewide, but because each county had passed its own leash law.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 17:40:41 GMT -5
A law that I personally worked on with the Minnesota Trail Hound Ass. 97B.011. Dogs pursuing big game (a) A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog: (1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or (2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog. That sure wouldn't fly in Indiana anymore since they passed the law making it illegal to shoot a domestic pet. Can you elaborate? There have to be exceptions. What if they are actively chasing deer? What if they are packed up, running loose?
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Post by gumbootbill on Feb 20, 2020 17:56:20 GMT -5
We taught our coon hounds to not run trash and stay on tree. I'm not for sure but I think at field trial's you got docked points if your dog left the tree.
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Post by welder on Feb 20, 2020 19:54:54 GMT -5
We taught our coon hounds to not run trash and stay on tree. I'm not for sure but I think at field trial's you got docked points if your dog left the tree. Sounds like you have some hound experience? Here is a question for you, how many "true tree dogs" have you owned that you could call off of a tree? I am betting a big fat ZERO?!
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Post by mgderf on Feb 20, 2020 20:25:54 GMT -5
A law that I personally worked on with the Minnesota Trail Hound Ass. 97B.011. Dogs pursuing big game (a) A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog: (1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or (2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog. That sure wouldn't fly in Indiana anymore since they passed the law making it illegal to shoot a domestic pet. Any law enacted can be rescinded.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 20, 2020 20:28:45 GMT -5
"True tree dogs"? That can be quite the subjective definition.
Working dogs are working dogs. They do what they are trained to do.
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Post by welder on Feb 20, 2020 20:33:54 GMT -5
"True tree dogs"? That can be quite the subjective definition. Working dogs are working dogs. They do what they are trained to do. You are exactly right. "True tree dogs" are trained to stay treed until you go get them.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 22, 2020 19:03:00 GMT -5
Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. Sorry, I speed read this post and obviously missed the part about hound hunters. Regardless, if you don't have permission, then you don't and shouldn't be on said property IMO. I second that.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 22, 2020 19:09:34 GMT -5
Like I tried to say in a previous post, the dog is only as good as it was trained. Meaning, if it's had plenty of training time and was trained correctly there shouldn't be issues no matter what your game flavor is wether it be bird, rabbit, coon ect. Now with that being said, if the hound comes from a background of Champions then some traits of commands seem to be passed down, or at least that's the impression I got from older generations. I’m guessing you have trained a lot of hounds? I, myself no. My mom's 3 brothers coon hunted when I was a little squirt. Her oldest brother still coon hunts and hunts waterfowl so I've spent about 34 of my 39 years around hounds. I tried to get into it, but 1/4 mile racing and deer hunting was where I desired to be.
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Post by gumbootbill on Feb 22, 2020 19:44:26 GMT -5
We taught our coon hounds to not run trash and stay on tree. I'm not for sure but I think at field trial's you got docked points if your dog left the tree. Sounds like you have some hound experience? Here is a question for you, how many "true tree dogs" have you owned that you could call off of a tree? I am betting a big fat ZERO?! We ran "Treeing Walkers" Never had to call one off a tree. Before I went hunting I went to the neighbors and told them I was going hunting tonight so it will be me if they see lights or their dogs go haywire. Not really to ask permission because they will let me go anytime but more for it's me don't shoot...
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Post by welder on Feb 22, 2020 20:43:51 GMT -5
Sounds like you have some hound experience? Here is a question for you, how many "true tree dogs" have you owned that you could call off of a tree? I am betting a big fat ZERO?! We ran "Treeing Walkers" Never had to call one off a tree. Before I went hunting I went to the neighbors and told them I was going hunting tonight so it will be me if they see lights or their dogs go haywire. Not really to ask permission because they will let me go anytime but more for it's me don't shoot... Same here, there wasn't nearly the craziness back then. Stopping and asking permission was about a 90% success rate, the 10% were usually animal lovers.
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