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Post by firstwd on Feb 17, 2020 15:36:08 GMT -5
I get trash thrown on to my property from the road and usually spend time every year on my own chain gang. The latest has been a deer carcass and two old tv's thrown in the deepest holler next to the road. Then there is the old mini-fridge I still need to get. Like a slap in the face every time something new shows up. One of the local farmers said show me a deep valley near a road in Parke County and I'll show you someones trash dump. Hundreds of beer bottles and cans. I would rather people trespass lol Shhh....... I intentionally didn't mention that particular issue in fear of jinxing myself.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 17, 2020 15:42:03 GMT -5
I get trash thrown on to my property from the road and usually spend time every year on my own chain gang. The latest has been a deer carcass and two old tv's thrown in the deepest holler next to the road. Then there is the old mini-fridge I still need to get. Like a slap in the face every time something new shows up. One of the local farmers said show me a deep valley near a road in Parke County and I'll show you someones trash dump. Hundreds of beer bottles and cans. I would rather people trespass lol I hope this doesnt come to my area. Glad that I do not have those issues or have to deal with them.
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Post by welder on Feb 17, 2020 15:48:13 GMT -5
Wow, I am sure glad that I live and own ground where I do. In all the years of having it and hunting I have NEVER dealt with all the trespassing you guys claim to have. As for someone coming on my ground to get a hound. Have at it. And you darn sure better shoot it out when you get there. They are over populated anyways. That will save me a few turkey nest. Oh by the way for Gods sakes dont wake me up at 3a.m. on a work night to tell me about it. I will be hot for that. Also before you start the hound bashing. I was a coon hunter for years. Remember one thing before you think about shooting a hound. They all wear a GPS. I will drop a pin on receiver. I will contact a C.O. Then we will see each other in court. Been there done that. Then unless you can show us bite marks or prof it was a life and death situation. (This came out the judges mouth.) It will be all down hill for you. And a costly day. I could literally post the EXACT same words!
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2020 18:01:20 GMT -5
Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. As long as you have a backhoe or excavator you still can. LOL That's not a problem I work for an excavation company. We have 4 of those, 2 backhoes and dozer. Even have trucks to haul them and I've got all the keys and can move and operate them lol.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2020 18:18:44 GMT -5
Now with that being said, a hound is a work dog IMO and hound dogs have a 1 track mind and that's taking on the task of finding that coon and they don't know the meaning of property lines. They just do what they are trained to do and that's it. Some of those dogs are very expensive and if I owned the ground that the dog comes on I would let the owner retrieve it, but I'd expect them not to make a habit of it or I might just take it that it's a careless individual with no regard or respect for property boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 18:28:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I`m not claiming I`ve had the trespassing problems I`ve mentioned. They`ve happened and they are ongoing. I wouldn`t have said it otherwise.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2020 18:36:54 GMT -5
It's a pretty common problem in Spencer County where I live. It's also pretty common in Warrick County as well. That's the whole reason I WON'T AND WILL NOT hunt with my brother-in-law or let my kids go with him. He doesn't know the meaning of Keep Out or No Trespassing. I like him, but I darn sure can't afford to face the consequences that comes with hunting with him.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 17, 2020 19:04:01 GMT -5
Now with that being said, a hound is a work dog IMO and hound dogs have a 1 track mind and that's taking on the task of finding that coon and they don't know the meaning of property lines. They just do what they are trained to do and that's it. Some of those dogs are very expensive and if I owned the ground that the dog comes on I would let the owner retrieve it, but I'd expect them not to make a habit of it or I might just take it that it's a careless individual with no regard or respect for property boundaries. I grew up breeding, selling, training, and hunting over hounds. Now they were rabbit dogs and not coon dogs, but very seldom did I ever have a dog not come when called on track or not.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 17, 2020 19:09:10 GMT -5
I was the rabbit dog growing up. My mom's brothers all rabbit hunted and since I was a little thing, seniority ruled and I drew the short stick lol. They said since I was full of p*ss and vinegar they didn't need dogs as long as I was available.
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Post by budd on Feb 18, 2020 10:54:20 GMT -5
Now with that being said, a hound is a work dog IMO and hound dogs have a 1 track mind and that's taking on the task of finding that coon and they don't know the meaning of property lines. They just do what they are trained to do and that's it. Some of those dogs are very expensive and if I owned the ground that the dog comes on I would let the owner retrieve it, but I'd expect them not to make a habit of it or I might just take it that it's a careless individual with no regard or respect for property boundaries. I grew up breeding, selling, training, and hunting over hounds. Now they were rabbit dogs and not coon dogs, but very seldom did I ever have a dog not come when called on track or not. I trained ALL my hounds to recall to the horn, coon, bear, bobcat, and hare hounds. Very seldom carried a leash or even knew where they were. Not all train or know how to train dogs to recall. I also had a horn blow that meant I seen the game, get your asses to me in a hurry. Several time's Ive walked away from bear, bobcat, coon tree's with 6 dogs and none on a leash. I've called dogs in more than once from over a mile in the Minnesota, Maine, and Wisconsin big woods. Here is a clip of several of my hare hounds coming to the horn. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYTK1wJFVk
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Post by mgderf on Feb 18, 2020 16:40:07 GMT -5
I grew up breeding, selling, training, and hunting over hounds. Now they were rabbit dogs and not coon dogs, but very seldom did I ever have a dog not come when called on track or not. I trained ALL my hounds to recall to the horn, coon, bear, bobcat, and hare hounds. Very seldom carried a leash or even knew where they were. Not all train or know how to train dogs to recall. I also had a horn blow that meant I seen the game, get your asses to me in a hurry. Several time's Ive walked away from bear, bobcat, coon tree's with 6 dogs and none on a leash. I've called dogs in more than once from over a mile in the Minnesota, Maine, and Wisconsin big woods. Here is a clip of several of my hare hounds coming to the horn. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYTK1wJFVkAS I stated up thread, a dog does what it is trained to do. If you can't control your dog, you shouldn't be hunting with it.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 19, 2020 16:09:31 GMT -5
I trained ALL my hounds to recall to the horn, coon, bear, bobcat, and hare hounds. Very seldom carried a leash or even knew where they were. Not all train or know how to train dogs to recall. I also had a horn blow that meant I seen the game, get your asses to me in a hurry. Several time's Ive walked away from bear, bobcat, coon tree's with 6 dogs and none on a leash. I've called dogs in more than once from over a mile in the Minnesota, Maine, and Wisconsin big woods. Here is a clip of several of my hare hounds coming to the horn. www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYTK1wJFVkAS I stated up thread, a dog does what it is trained to do. If you can't control your dog, you shouldn't be hunting with it.
Most if not all good competition dogs cannot be called off of a tree. And if they dont have anymore desire to get and stay treed that that. When I was coon hunting heavy they wouldn't get another meal at my place.
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Post by welder on Feb 19, 2020 16:11:44 GMT -5
AS I stated up thread, a dog does what it is trained to do. If you can't control your dog, you shouldn't be hunting with it.
Most if not all good competition dogs cannot be called off of a tree. And if they dont have anymore desire to get and stay treed that that. When I was coon hunting heavy they wouldn't get another meal at my place. EXACTLY!
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Post by esshup on Feb 19, 2020 16:29:59 GMT -5
All the Field Trial Springer Spaniels are trained to flush the bird, but NOT to chase it. No problem calling them off the bird, and if you are hunting/trialing in a field near a road they listen and won't chase and possibly get hit. These are National Champions and potential National Champions.
I agree with Budd, it's all in how you train your dog. I had one that was too smart for her own good. In a trial she would chase after the flush because she knew she couldn't get chastised for it. When hunting she NEVER chased a bird after it flushed. Didn't have an e-collar on her during hunting either, just like the trials
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Post by mgderf on Feb 19, 2020 16:54:57 GMT -5
AS I stated up thread, a dog does what it is trained to do. If you can't control your dog, you shouldn't be hunting with it.
Most if not all good competition dogs cannot be called off of a tree. And if they dont have anymore desire to get and stay treed that that. When I was coon hunting heavy they wouldn't get another meal at my place. Then they have not been properly trained.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 19, 2020 18:46:01 GMT -5
Most if not all good competition dogs cannot be called off of a tree. And if they dont have anymore desire to get and stay treed that that. When I was coon hunting heavy they wouldn't get another meal at my place. EXACTLY! Which tells me the competition guys should be more cognizant of property lines and not drop their dogs on the boundaries. I've had competition participants throw a fit at me for driving down a county road because they had dogs treed in the ditch.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 19, 2020 18:59:59 GMT -5
Like I tried to say in a previous post, the dog is only as good as it was trained. Meaning, if it's had plenty of training time and was trained correctly there shouldn't be issues no matter what your game flavor is wether it be bird, rabbit, coon ect. Now with that being said, if the hound comes from a background of Champions then some traits of commands seem to be passed down, or at least that's the impression I got from older generations.
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Post by budd on Feb 19, 2020 19:55:02 GMT -5
Like I tried to say in a previous post, the dog is only as good as it was trained. Meaning, if it's had plenty of training time and was trained correctly there shouldn't be issues no matter what your game flavor is wether it be bird, rabbit, coon ect. Now with that being said, if the hound comes from a background of Champions then some traits of commands seem to be passed down, or at least that's the impression I got from older generations. I’m guessing you have trained a lot of hounds?
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 19, 2020 19:58:25 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok, I am done. I will say one last thing. If your honest with me it shows most of you guys have never hunted with a good coon hound. That had a 100 percent drive and desire to get treed.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 19, 2020 20:53:49 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok, I am done. I will say one last thing. If your honest with me it shows most of you guys have never hunted with a good coon hound. That had a 100 percent drive and desire to get treed. I said before I have never hunted with coon dogs, just a whole bunch of rabbit dogs. I wasn't blaming the dogs, just the guys running them. Dropping dogs on the road where multiple properties meet with permission on only one isn't the dogs' fault.
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