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Post by budd on Feb 16, 2020 10:00:50 GMT -5
"I thought all 92 counties in Indiana had leash laws, maybe I'm wrong. I see dogs running loose multiple times each deer season, oftentimes, they are actually hot on the heels of deer. I'm not one to do this, but I've heard some say that they have shot dogs running deer. There have also been many instances of dogs packing up and attacking people. I've been growled at by loose dogs while deer hunting, but they left. Had I been attacked of course, I would have defended myself"
You must live close to the cities? When I lived in Indiana I deer hunted very hard, I have only ever seen dogs chasing deer twice, once a white german shepard, another time it looked like a black german shepard (yard dogs) both sight chasing across a open field, both stopped and turned around when the deer disappeared into the woods. I have NEVER heard of a pack of dogs attacking a deer hunter but I'll do some research on this. Big difference between country yard dogs and hounds. I honestly dont know of any hound hunter that lets their dogs free roam during the day unless they are actually out hunting them.
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Post by budd on Feb 16, 2020 10:35:22 GMT -5
A law that I personally worked on with the Minnesota Trail Hound Ass.
97B.011. Dogs pursuing big game
(a) A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog:
(1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or
(2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed.
The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog.
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Post by steiny on Feb 16, 2020 10:48:09 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. I can think of a couple reasons real quick that don't involve "the landowner being up to no good". * You have past history with the person and they are SOB's. * You don't want them in there stinking up and disturbing your hunting. * They hunt right on your property edges knowing full well the likely end result is a wounded deer going on to the other property. * They have a history of wounding and losing deer and it's getting old.
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Post by swilk on Feb 16, 2020 11:01:08 GMT -5
Personally, I can think of very few scenarios where the wants or needs of a person should trump the wants of a property owner.
Very few.
Dogs and deer do not make my list.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 11:52:31 GMT -5
A law that I personally worked on with the Minnesota Trail Hound Ass. 97B.011. Dogs pursuing big game (a) A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog: (1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or (2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog. I completely understand that dogs running deer is a huge, and bad thing for the deer, never mind the hunting. If deer are chased so hard that they become exhausted, they may not be able to recover. In other words, they can literally be run to death. Just for me personally though, unless I was being attacked, I don`t have it in me I guess to kill a dog. I always felt that if someone cared about their dog, they wouldn`t allow it to run loose, whether in the city or the country. Too much can happen with dogs roaming loose, and none of it good. Containing your dog shows respect, both for the animal as well as your neighbors. I put an awful lot of time, money and effort into my deer hunting, as I`m certain we all do. It`s no small thing when even one of my hunts is ruined by dogs either simply roaming through, or chasing deer through, and out of my hunting area.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 11:56:36 GMT -5
I don't think a dog owner being allowed to trespass on private property. No special rules. None or all. A good dog owner should be able to call dog back. If not, then that owner needs training on how to own a dog. Needs to get permission 1st before entering.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2020 12:01:02 GMT -5
I never said it wouldn't be reasonable to allow someone to get their dog. I said it's unreasonable to take away the landowners right to allow or disallow someone on their property. I do wonder though, what is the responsibility of the dogs owner to keep his animal under control and keep it off property he doesn't have permission to be on in the first place. Just curious. I know there are a few bad seeds out there but the majority of the hound hunters do try and keep there dogs on the property they turn loose on, but tell me how does, or would a night time hound hunter keep a coondog completely under control..or really any hound for that matter? They follow the scent wherever it goes, if we could just teach them damned coon to read no trespassing signs maybe. The only way to keep hounds from accidentally crossing property lines is to eliminate hound hunting all together, it happens, nothing can be done to stop it. Really dont mean to come off as a jerk but I'm very passionate about hound hunting. I'm not saying trespassing is rite by ANY means, but Im not one to loose my mind when someone jumps my fence and grabs their dog. If something gets stole or broken the first person that I'm not going to point my finger at is the hound hunter. I do agree that we dont need anymore laws that tells us what we can and cannot do or allow someone to do on our property, but I try my best to trust the honest fellow hunter to come and grab his dog/downed game off my property without contacting me if it's not to inconvenient, or impractical. A phone call or knock on the door at a later date is appreciated. Unfortunately, I have difficulty with "a few bad seeds" being the norm. Maybe it's just because we don't hear about the good ones and constantly hear about the bad ones. Multiple times every year my area has issue with people dropping dogs on property lines and the entire group follows and hunts behind the dogs no matter who's property they go on. We also have some that road drop in areas they know they don't have permission on. Heck there is a guy who will slow drive the gravel roads looking for squirrels to run across the road and dump his squirrel dog out with absolutely no concern who's property he goes on. Several years ago a coondog championship almost got shut down mid tournament because some local "guides" were taking out of state and a couple out of country competitors onto land that held good numbers of coon but did not have permission to be on. For the last two nights of the contest every group had a CO with them to make sure they weren't trespassing. Grabbing a dog isn't usually the issue. It's shooting the coon or strait up hunting on land they don't have permission on.
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Post by budd on Feb 16, 2020 15:17:02 GMT -5
Agree with everything you said here. But I also look at it this way, people cant get deer hunting permission because of those few bad seed's, there are also those that wish to take away our gun rights because of those few bad seeds, there are those that wish to take away our privileges to hunt, fish, and trap because of those few bad seeds. When do we stop judging a majority because of those few bad seeds?
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2020 16:58:01 GMT -5
Since I know the laws, like it or not,if someone's dog was treed on my property, I would let the owner go get him, without calling a CO. I never said it wouldn't be reasonable to allow someone to get their dog. I said it's unreasonable to take away the landowners right to allow or disallow someone on their property. I do wonder though, what is the responsibility of the dogs owner to keep his animal under control and keep it off property he doesn't have permission to be on in the first place. Just curious. Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2020 17:01:14 GMT -5
I never said it wouldn't be reasonable to allow someone to get their dog. I said it's unreasonable to take away the landowners right to allow or disallow someone on their property. I do wonder though, what is the responsibility of the dogs owner to keep his animal under control and keep it off property he doesn't have permission to be on in the first place. Just curious. Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. Sorry, I speed read this post and obviously missed the part about hound hunters. Regardless, if you don't have permission, then you don't and shouldn't be on said property IMO.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2020 17:05:43 GMT -5
I never said it wouldn't be reasonable to allow someone to get their dog. I said it's unreasonable to take away the landowners right to allow or disallow someone on their property. I do wonder though, what is the responsibility of the dogs owner to keep his animal under control and keep it off property he doesn't have permission to be on in the first place. Just curious. Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. When I Googled Indiana leash law it said Indiana does not have a statewide leash law. Local municipalities create their own laws pertaining to control of animals.
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Post by duff on Feb 16, 2020 19:33:10 GMT -5
My opinion on coon hunters stems from my interactions with a town full of theifs, drug users and generally bad people.
I know not all are that way but most I knew were with out a doubt some or all of those traits.
Makes it hard to think I have to let a guy like them on my land because a dog they let go cant be controlled.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 16, 2020 21:47:25 GMT -5
Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. When I Googled Indiana leash law it said Indiana does not have a statewide leash law. Local municipalities create their own laws pertaining to control of animals. Sorry, I had the impression it was State wide. We have a small dog but is either in the house or on a leash. We like to control our dog when it's outside, never know what a neighbor in our little trailerhood (mobile home) might be throwing outside lol.
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Post by esshup on Feb 17, 2020 0:42:00 GMT -5
I never said it wouldn't be reasonable to allow someone to get their dog. I said it's unreasonable to take away the landowners right to allow or disallow someone on their property. I do wonder though, what is the responsibility of the dogs owner to keep his animal under control and keep it off property he doesn't have permission to be on in the first place. Just curious. Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. As long as you have a backhoe or excavator you still can. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 6:20:59 GMT -5
Indiana has a leash law. Therefore according to that law it's illegal to let dogs roam free. Maybe trespassers and poachers need that same treatment. On the other hand, I was raised up in Alabama and down there they play by different rules. When it comes to trespassers, they shoot first and don't even bother with questions for the perpetrators. If we could do that up here without facing serious trouble, none of us would have this problem. As long as you have a backhoe or excavator you still can. LOL
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 17, 2020 13:04:48 GMT -5
Wow, I am sure glad that I live and own ground where I do. In all the years of having it and hunting I have NEVER dealt with all the trespassing you guys claim to have. As for someone coming on my ground to get a hound. Have at it. And you darn sure better shoot it out when you get there. They are over populated anyways. That will save me a few turkey nest. Oh by the way for Gods sakes dont wake me up at 3a.m. on a work night to tell me about it. I will be hot for that. Also before you start the hound bashing. I was a coon hunter for years. Remember one thing before you think about shooting a hound. They all wear a GPS. I will drop a pin on receiver. I will contact a C.O. Then we will see each other in court. Been there done that. Then unless you can show us bite marks or prof it was a life and death situation. (This came out the judges mouth.) It will be all down hill for you. And a costly day.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 17, 2020 13:19:13 GMT -5
Yep^^^^
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Post by firstwd on Feb 17, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -5
Wow, I am sure glad that I live and own ground where I do. In all the years of having it and hunting I have NEVER dealt with all the trespassing you guys claim to have. As for someone coming on my ground to get a hound. Have at it. And you darn sure better shoot it out when you get there. They are over populated anyways. That will save me a few turkey nest. Oh by the way for Gods sakes dont wake me up at 3a.m. on a work night to tell me about it. I will be hot for that. Also before you start the hound bashing. I was a coon hunter for years. Remember one thing before you think about shooting a hound. They all wear a GPS. I will drop a pin on receiver. I will contact a C.O. Then we will see each other in court. Been there done that. Then unless you can show us bite marks or prof it was a life and death situation. (This came out the judges mouth.) It will be all down hill for you. And a costly day. Can I trade you just one year of pot growers, meth cooks, heroin users, teenage drinkers, smart aleck fishers, spotlighters, road shooters, mud truck drivers and firewood thieves for your lack of idiots? Just one year?
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 17, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -5
Wow, I am sure glad that I live and own ground where I do. In all the years of having it and hunting I have NEVER dealt with all the trespassing you guys claim to have. As for someone coming on my ground to get a hound. Have at it. And you darn sure better shoot it out when you get there. They are over populated anyways. That will save me a few turkey nest. Oh by the way for Gods sakes dont wake me up at 3a.m. on a work night to tell me about it. I will be hot for that. Also before you start the hound bashing. I was a coon hunter for years. Remember one thing before you think about shooting a hound. They all wear a GPS. I will drop a pin on receiver. I will contact a C.O. Then we will see each other in court. Been there done that. Then unless you can show us bite marks or prof it was a life and death situation. (This came out the judges mouth.) It will be all down hill for you. And a costly day. Can I trade you just one year of pot growers, meth cooks, heroin users, teenage drinkers, smart aleck fishers, spotlighters, road shooters, mud truck drivers and firewood thieves for your lack of idiots? Just one year? Just telling you straight up. In all the years we have had the farm. And some of it has been passed down. We or now I have never had any issues with all the trespassing that has been posted and talked about. And my farm isn't even posted or purple painted.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 17, 2020 15:32:06 GMT -5
I get trash thrown on to my property from the road and usually spend time every year on my own chain gang. The latest has been a deer carcass and two old tv's thrown in the deepest holler next to the road. Then there is the old mini-fridge I still need to get. Like a slap in the face every time something new shows up. One of the local farmers said show me a deep valley near a road in Parke County and I'll show you someones trash dump. Hundreds of beer bottles and cans. I would rather people trespass lol
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