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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2020 8:41:26 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden. O.K., I just can't see the justification for this logic. Why, as a dog owner, do you have permission to trespass on my land, but I have no input? Why can you not train your dog to heel, WITHOUT trespassing? Dogs are smart animals. They can learn just about any behavior. They can learn to come when called, or they can learn to trespass, if that's what the owners chooses to allow. What happens if your dog enters my property and displays aggressive behavior toward me or someone else who DOES have permission to be on my property? No, I can't see this as a justifiable statute. I did not know of it's existence, and now that I do, I don't care for it one bit. I'm not a hunter who utilizes dogs, obviously, but I think those who do should be able to control their hounds, or accept the consequences if they can't.
I am pretty sure a CO will contact you before anyone goes on your land.... you will have input but I don’t believe you can deny a CO from retrieving a dog! Maybe ask the question in the CO form to get the correct answer
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 15, 2020 8:52:09 GMT -5
Yep, pretty sure mr. CO has the right to go wherever he wants, and if you have enough of a problem with it you might be in cuffs
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Post by featherduster on Feb 15, 2020 9:04:08 GMT -5
What if it's a horse or a goat or better yet a pet kangaroo we'er talking about does this right to enter law still apply.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2020 9:15:20 GMT -5
What if it's a horse or a goat or better yet a pet kangaroo we'er talking about does this right to enter law still apply. INDIANA has NO right to enter law.
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Post by featherduster on Feb 15, 2020 9:29:19 GMT -5
What if it's a horse or a goat or better yet a pet kangaroo we'er talking about does this right to enter law still apply. INDIANA has NO right to enter law. Even with a GAME WARDEN?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2020 9:36:36 GMT -5
INDIANA has NO right to enter law. Even with a GAME WARDEN? For Deer YES.... CO can only ask and land owners can deny! Maybe ask the question in the CO form.... pretty sure a dog or any live animal will be different.
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Post by medic22 on Feb 15, 2020 10:31:36 GMT -5
Yep, pretty sure mr. CO has the right to go wherever he wants, and if you have enough of a problem with it you might be in cuffs He cannot go wherever he wants without probable cause a crime is being commited or a warrant. No different than any other LEO.
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Post by steiny on Feb 15, 2020 10:43:14 GMT -5
I spoke to my local warden about the problem with the coyote runners trespassing. He explained to me that they are within their rights to go on to private ground and retrieve their hound, and that can't be denied. It's treated just like as if it was loose livestock. You have a right to go retrieve your loose animals.
Now, they probably can't go on your ground carrying a gun and can't shoot a treed coon out, etc. or they could be charged with hunting without permission, but they can go retrieve their animals.
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Post by beermaker on Feb 15, 2020 11:43:39 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. There was a guy in rural Holland that was known for being stringent about property lines and denying access to hunters. He was eventually arrested for having an elaborate marijuana growing operation on his property. A few years later, his a-hole brother who had the same mentality was arrested for the same shenanigans.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2020 12:07:25 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. There was a guy in rural Holland that was known for being stringent about property lines and denying access to hunters. He was eventually arrested for having an elaborate marijuana growing operation on his property. A few years later, his a-hole brother who had the same mentality was arrested for the same shenanigans. Methinks I know who yo are posting about..
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Post by firstwd on Feb 15, 2020 12:32:38 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. There was a guy in rural Holland that was known for being stringent about property lines and denying access to hunters. He was eventually arrested for having an elaborate marijuana growing operation on his property. A few years later, his a-hole brother who had the same mentality was arrested for the same shenanigans. How about the game farms? Most times I believe it's because of previous bad neighbor experiences.
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Post by featherduster on Feb 15, 2020 12:49:18 GMT -5
For Deer YES.... CO can only ask and land owners can deny! Maybe ask the question in the CO form.... pretty sure a dog or any live animal will be different. OH MY GOD! this is so confusing. I asked our in house Game Warden a question regarding this idea and he said "I do my very best not to interject my personal opinion into these responses. As I have a strong opinion about this topic, I will not make an exception in this case". Apparently he doesn't feel comfortable enough to open up to his HUNTING INDIANA family regarding this topic and I don't understand why after all... whatever is discussed on here stays here. RIGHT. Here is how I look at it, if your animal has wondered onto my property and you can see it come and get it. If you think your animal has wondered on to my property or the wounded wild game you were legally pursuing has wondered onto my property then stop at my house, call me if you can or at least leave me a note with your name and telephone number explaining why your on my property. I would be more than glad to help you retrieve anything your may have lost.
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Post by welder on Feb 15, 2020 12:49:21 GMT -5
Yep, pretty sure mr. CO has the right to go wherever he wants, and if you have enough of a problem with it you might be in cuffs He cannot go wherever he wants without probable cause a crime is being commited or a warrant. No different than any other LEO. I am not sure about this? CO has a lot more "freedom" than a regular LEO.
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Post by medic22 on Feb 15, 2020 12:58:22 GMT -5
He cannot go wherever he wants without probable cause a crime is being commited or a warrant. No different than any other LEO. I am not sure about this? CO has a lot more "freedom" than a regular LEO. They do not have the freedom to violate the 4th Amendment.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2020 13:21:09 GMT -5
For Deer YES.... CO can only ask and land owners can deny! Maybe ask the question in the CO form.... pretty sure a dog or any live animal will be different. OH MY GOD! this is so confusing. I asked our in house Game Warden a question regarding this idea and he said "I do my very best not to interject my personal opinion into these responses. As I have a strong opinion about this topic, I will not make an exception in this case". Apparently he doesn't feel comfortable enough to open up to his HUNTING INDIANA family regarding this topic and I don't understand why after all... whatever is discussed on here stays here. RIGHT. Here is how I look at it, if your animal has wondered onto my property and you can see it come and get it. If you think your animal has wondered on to my property or the wounded wild game you were legally pursuing has wondered onto my property then stop at my house, call me if you can or at least leave me a note with your name and telephone number explaining why your on my property. I would be more than glad to help you retrieve anything your may have lost. With the microscope that every public employee is under today, I can see his side of things. Especially if my personal thoughts were different than my superior officers thoughts. With a LEO, personal thoughts have no bearing on what they do, the law is the law if you are following the book. In the private sector, people have been passed over for promotions, raises not given etc. because of differences of opinion with upper management. I can see someone not giving permission to access the property to retrieve game. Anti-hunters particularly. Lets be honest, if the hunter can't see the game that they shot, how do they KNOW that it will be dead when they find it? Of all the times that anyone here has searched for wounded game, if during legal shooting hours, how many have NOT taken a gun or bow with them when tracking an animal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 13:43:44 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. There was a guy in rural Holland that was known for being stringent about property lines and denying access to hunters. He was eventually arrested for having an elaborate marijuana growing operation on his property. A few years later, his a-hole brother who had the same mentality was arrested for the same shenanigans. I could easily imagine a landowner who isn't up to no good refusing to allow strangers onto his property. There could be a great many valid reasons, but the real point is, a landowner doesn't have to have, or offer any reason at all. I'm not a landowner as much as I wish I were, but it seems a lot of people have little to no regard for a property owners rights. I've seen guys who literally do nothing all deer season but run trespassers off their property. It's an epidemic, and it appears even IF you can get a Sheriff's deputy or CO out to deal with it, the courts don't take it very seriously. I fully understand irate landowners.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 15, 2020 14:43:52 GMT -5
OH MY GOD! this is so confusing. I asked our in house Game Warden a question regarding this idea and he said "I do my very best not to interject my personal opinion into these responses. As I have a strong opinion about this topic, I will not make an exception in this case". Apparently he doesn't feel comfortable enough to open up to his HUNTING INDIANA family regarding this topic and I don't understand why after all... whatever is discussed on here stays here. RIGHT. Here is how I look at it, if your animal has wondered onto my property and you can see it come and get it. If you think your animal has wondered on to my property or the wounded wild game you were legally pursuing has wondered onto my property then stop at my house, call me if you can or at least leave me a note with your name and telephone number explaining why your on my property. I would be more than glad to help you retrieve anything your may have lost. With the microscope that every public employee is under today, I can see his side of things. Especially if my personal thoughts were different than my superior officers thoughts. With a LEO, personal thoughts have no bearing on what they do, the law is the law if you are following the book. In the private sector, people have been passed over for promotions, raises not given etc. because of differences of opinion with upper management. I can see someone not giving permission to access the property to retrieve game. Anti-hunters particularly. Lets be honest, if the hunter can't see the game that they shot, how do they KNOW that it will be dead when they find it? Of all the times that anyone here has searched for wounded game, if during legal shooting hours, how many have NOT taken a gun or bow with them when tracking an animal? Our resident "Ask the CO" CO isn't what most think of when one says CO. He is not a field officer, he recently was promoted and my local county CO has taken over his spot overseeing the Outdoor Education program, and he has been in law school. The reason he answers the legal questions the way he does is because he is giving the exact laws regarding the questions that he can find. He's not yet a lawyer, let alone any stranger on the internet lawyer. Him not interjecting his opinion on that question isn't only a self preservation issue, it's a representation issue. What he says in his official position, right or wrong, becomes the position of the DNR - at least to the person that opinion was communicated to.
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Post by welder on Feb 15, 2020 14:56:06 GMT -5
I spoke to my local warden about the problem with the coyote runners trespassing. He explained to me that they are within their rights to go on to private ground and retrieve their hound, and that can't be denied. It's treated just like as if it was loose livestock. You have a right to go retrieve your loose animals. Now, they probably can't go on your ground carrying a gun and can't shoot a treed coon out, etc. or they could be charged with hunting without permission, but they can go retrieve their animals. CORRECT ANSWER,100%!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 15:04:50 GMT -5
I spoke to my local warden about the problem with the coyote runners trespassing. He explained to me that they are within their rights to go on to private ground and retrieve their hound, and that can't be denied. It's treated just like as if it was loose livestock. You have a right to go retrieve your loose animals. Now, they probably can't go on your ground carrying a gun and can't shoot a treed coon out, etc. or they could be charged with hunting without permission, but they can go retrieve their animals. CORRECT ANSWER,100%! There shouldn't be any reason at all that a landowner doesn't have absolute say over who enters his property and when.
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Post by mgderf on Feb 15, 2020 15:14:22 GMT -5
Why would someone deny another person the chance to retrieve game from their property? Just asking because its inconeivable to me. Unless, of course, the landowner is up to no good. There was a guy in rural Holland that was known for being stringent about property lines and denying access to hunters. He was eventually arrested for having an elaborate marijuana growing operation on his property. A few years later, his a-hole brother who had the same mentality was arrested for the same shenanigans. I could easily imagine a landowner who isn't up to no good refusing to allow strangers onto his property. There could be a great many valid reasons, but the real point is, a landowner doesn't have to have, or offer any reason at all. I'm not a landowner as much as I wish I were, but it seems a lot of people have little to no regard for a property owners rights. I've seen guys who literally do nothing all deer season but run trespassers off their property. It's an epidemic, and it appears even IF you can get a Sheriff's deputy or CO out to deal with it, the courts don't take it very seriously. I fully understand irate landowners. This is a HUGE part of my issues with this. Before I owned land I leased a 50 acre lot for the sole purpose of deer hunting. Before the season even started I was chasing off trespassers who lived nearby and felt they had the "right" to use the woods in question for any number of activities. One neighbor walked her dogs through the woods during hunting season. When confronted she stated that she had been walking her dogs through these woods for years and had "not bothered anybody". She told me, in no uncertain terms that she, "...saw no reason to stop", even after I explained that I paid good money for exclusive rights to this land during the hunting season.
I informed the property owner and he said he had no way to keep others off his land, and suggested I call the conservation officer. I posted no trespassing signs, with the owners permission, where people were entering the woods. These signs were ignored. I found a guy I knew lived on the property boundary actively hunting during the season. I explained to him that I had leased the land. He told me he had been hunting this property for more than a decade and he wasn't about to stop now.
I called the local DNR officer who met me at the property. I showed him the house that the hunter had entered less than 30 minutes before. The C.O. knocked on the door and confronted the hunter. He stood there and lied to the C.O., telling him he had not seen the signs.
The C.O. told me there was nothing I could do about it, no recourse whatsoever. I could not PROVE that the hunter had seen the signs, and even if he had, I had no PROOF that he could read them!
I paid $500 to lease 50 acres of ground, and it was a complete waste of money. Not one single day went by during that hunting season that I did not find at least one trespasser on that property, one day I found 3 people, all hunting. They said they were just out plinking, all dressed out in hunting garb.
May as well not even have a law if it's not going to be enforced.
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