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Post by budd on Feb 14, 2020 9:23:30 GMT -5
This is a law we have in Minnesota. It allows one to retrieve down game, or retrieve hunting dogs from private ground without permission. This is a law I have never had to take advantage of in the part of the state I live in (Minnesota). Whats everyone's thoughts on seeing a law like this in Indiana? Im thinking it's a law that could help the honest hound hunter, or honest deer hunter, but a law that would also be taken advantage of by the wrong people. This is how it reads for us in Minnesota.
How it reads. "Law allows hunters to trespass unless no trespassing signs are posted along the boundaries every 1000 feet or less, or in wooded areas where boundaries are less clear, at intervals of 500 feet or less, or at the primary corners of each parcel of land and at access roads or trails at points of entrance. Furthermore, the law mandates that the lettering should be at least two inches high and the name and phone number of the landowner or occupant should be listed. Lands that are cropped or grazed and show signs of tillage, crops, crop residue, or fencing for livestock containment do not require posting of signs. Hunters must ask permission to enter these lands. A person on foot may, without permission of the owner, enter land to retrieve a wounded animal that was lawfully shot. The hunter must leave the land immediately after retrieving the wounded game. A person on foot may, without permission of the owner, enter private land without a firearm to retrieve a hunting dog. After retrieving the dog, the person must immediately leave the premises."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 9:32:38 GMT -5
In Ohio you need written permission to enter private property, no exceptions. Not even the CO can grant it. It makes it very hard to hunt a group of very small acre lots. I had to go to each 5 acre neighbor to get written permission. That's why the other post was so important. Finally after 28 years got permission to the one in the middle. It forced me to place stands not in the best hunt place, but the best place so the deer has the best odds dying on a lot that I have permission.
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Post by bartiks on Feb 14, 2020 9:38:56 GMT -5
I don't think that we should have one in the hoosier state being that it could be abused and not being used to benefit hunters. After all if you do shoot a deer it does run onto adjoining property, aside from having good neighbors that you foster a relationship with. Worst thing is you notify the C.O. and let him/her talk to the property owner. After all the last I heard is a C.O. doesn't need a warrant to come on your land in the pursuit of legal matters.
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Post by budd on Feb 14, 2020 9:54:52 GMT -5
How Florida Law Reads
"Trespass while in possession of a firearm is a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine up to $5,000. A person who knowingly propels or causes to be propelled any potentially lethal projectile over or across private land without authorization also commits felony trespass. A potentially lethal projectile includes any projectile launched from any firearm, bow, crossbow or similar tensile device."
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Post by steiny on Feb 14, 2020 10:02:37 GMT -5
As a landowner, I don't like it. I want to be contacted by neighbors and grant permission before they come on the place.
In Indiana, it is legal to enter private land without a landowners permission to retrieve your dog. Unfortunately the coyote runners really abuse this law, dumping out on a 20 acre parcel where they have permission, then blowing through an entire section and multiple land owners where they don't have permission.
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Post by welder on Feb 14, 2020 12:38:52 GMT -5
If your dog is treed on private property in Indiana and the landowner won't let you go get it,call the CO. They will get your dog or talk the landowner into letting you get it. They can't keep you from retrieving your dog. Been there,done that,got a t-shirt.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2020 12:41:22 GMT -5
We have extreme trespass issues now and in my opinion it's because prosecutors just won't file charges. I know they have a lot on their plate to deal with and trespassing seems trivial in the grand scheme of things.
Now..... that Florida law looks quite interesting.
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Post by medic22 on Feb 14, 2020 12:44:11 GMT -5
I would support a CO accompanying the hunter to retrieved downed game/track through WITH notification to the landowner, but not a hunter alone.
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Post by mgderf on Feb 14, 2020 12:56:05 GMT -5
I would support a CO accompanying the hunter to retrieved downed game/track through WITH notification to the landowner, but not a hunter alone. ^This. As a land owner, I want to know who is on my property, when, and for what reason. Doesn't seem too much to ask.
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Post by jbird on Feb 14, 2020 13:02:11 GMT -5
As a hunter I see how that could be useful....as a land owner (and Indiana is 95% private land) I hate the idea. You want access to my place...for ANY reason...you should have to have permission...FIRST.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2020 13:12:34 GMT -5
Think about this. If you are hunting private ground next to public land that requires check in, you can't just walk onto that public land to retrieve game. You have to go check in first. Why would we want to allow just anybody open access to everybody's private land?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 14:18:09 GMT -5
I would support a CO accompanying the hunter to retrieved downed game/track through WITH notification to the landowner, but not a hunter alone. This might sound harsh to some, but I think even with the CO, it should require a landowners permission. As was said, trespassing is rampant, as I know from the trespassers who are boldling vandalizing my ladderstands and brazenly hunting on the property I don`t own, but KNOW I`m the only one with permission to hunt it. Laws that would usurp a landowners explicit right to have ALL sayso over who may enter their property for ANY reason would not be legal in my mind, but surely not be moral or ethical either. And yes, such a law would be abused and used as an excuse for hunting on the private property anyway.
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Post by welder on Feb 14, 2020 16:20:12 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2020 17:26:49 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden. I don't have issues with someone retrieving their hunting dog, I was raised rabbit hunting and I understand. My problem arises when the guns go with the guy retrieving the dog, or the entire group have to go get the dog, or when people are caught on the wrong property and "Iwas just getting my dog" is the answer. Personally, I think even the dog owners should have to have permission from the land owner to go get their dog.
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Post by welder on Feb 14, 2020 18:45:01 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden. I don't have issues with someone retrieving their hunting dog, I was raised rabbit hunting and I understand. My problem arises when the guns go with the guy retrieving the dog, or the entire group have to go get the dog, or when people are caught on the wrong property and "Iwas just getting my dog" is the answer. Personally, I think even the dog owners should have to have permission from the land owner to go get their dog. Dog owners DO have to get permission to retrieve their dog,if permission is denied,call the CO,he will get permission. When retrieving a dog under these circumstances, you aren't allowed to take a gun or anyone else with you. Get your dog and get out.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2020 19:50:06 GMT -5
I don't have issues with someone retrieving their hunting dog, I was raised rabbit hunting and I understand. My problem arises when the guns go with the guy retrieving the dog, or the entire group have to go get the dog, or when people are caught on the wrong property and "Iwas just getting my dog" is the answer. Personally, I think even the dog owners should have to have permission from the land owner to go get their dog. Dog owners DO have to get permission to retrieve their dog,if permission is denied,call the CO,he will get permission. When retrieving a dog under these circumstances, you aren't allowed to take a gun or anyone else with you. Get your dog and get out. Too bad all the hound guys don't know, or at least don't follow, those rules. The most common response I hear is "landowners don't want woke up at 3am for me to get my dog, I just go get it". Maybe they don't want woke up at 3am, but it does force a conversation. Maybe not a perfect conversation, but a conversation none the less.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 14, 2020 20:30:01 GMT -5
As a professional land surveyor I dont have the right to trespass in the state of indiana. Makes my job that much more difficult and we have been battling to change it for years. So, I have to ask permission to do my job all the time. I get it, though, as a land owner myself.
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Post by mgderf on Feb 14, 2020 22:03:35 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden. O.K., I just can't see the justification for this logic. Why, as a dog owner, do you have permission to trespass on my land, but I have no input?
Why can you not train your dog to heel, WITHOUT trespassing? Dogs are smart animals. They can learn just about any behavior. They can learn to come when called, or they can learn to trespass, if that's what the owners chooses to allow.
What happens if your dog enters my property and displays aggressive behavior toward me or someone else who DOES have permission to be on my property?
No, I can't see this as a justifiable statute. I did not know of it's existence, and now that I do, I don't care for it one bit. I'm not a hunter who utilizes dogs, obviously, but I think those who do should be able to control their hounds, or accept the consequences if they can't.
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Post by welder on Feb 14, 2020 22:53:03 GMT -5
A treed hound and a dead deer are TOTALLY different stories. You and the CO can certainly be denied permission to retrieve a deer, you CANNOT be denied permission to get your dog with a game warden. O.K., I just can't see the justification for this logic. Why, as a dog owner, do you have permission to trespass on my land, but I have no input?
Why can you not train your dog to heel, WITHOUT trespassing? Dogs are smart animals. They can learn just about any behavior. They can learn to come when called, or they can learn to trespass, if that's what the owners chooses to allow.
What happens if your dog enters my property and displays aggressive behavior toward me or someone else who DOES have permission to be on my property?
No, I can't see this as a justifiable statute. I did not know of it's existence, and now that I do, I don't care for it one bit. I'm not a hunter who utilizes dogs, obviously, but I think those who do should be able to control their hounds, or accept the consequences if they can't.
Any "tree hound" worth anything CANNOT be called from a tree, they will stay treed all night at times. As for "aggressive behavior", that's a different story as well. If a dog displays such behavior, you can protect yourself. Keep in mind, it's big time trouble if you kill someone's hound. This is a very touchy subject, I am not advocating ANYTHING, I am merely stating the facts.
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Post by esshup on Feb 14, 2020 23:54:49 GMT -5
As a professional land surveyor I dont have the right to trespass in the state of indiana. Makes my job that much more difficult and we have been battling to change it for years. So, I have to ask permission to do my job all the time. I get it, though, as a land owner myself. County Health Inspector (Starke County) cannot go onto private property without permission either. (I'm not talking about places of business)
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