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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 16:38:27 GMT -5
I'm home from work today, sick with a brutal cold, and as I'm shifting from watching, to dozing, to a full out hard sleep, I'm watching the sham impeachment proceedings on Fox News Channel, and the idiot demon-crat Shiff is on, and has talked several times about "our democracy". I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a demon-crat from kalifornia doesn't understand that we're not a democracy, but are a constitutional republic. It's difficult to listen to the spin and lies of the left at any time, but especially when they show their ignorance about the very government they're supposedly working in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 12:08:20 GMT -5
Finally, today, the good guys are presenting the President's defence in this silly impeachment proceedings. In just the first hour I've seen, they have already debunked a lot of the supposed case presented by the house. They've pointed out a great many instances of the House ignoring decorum and constitutional process in their rush to get the impeachment announced by Christmas.
I'm kind of surprised there isn't a lot more interest here in this historic, and very instructional proceeding. I'm as busy with hunting and fishing , and thinking about and planning hunting and fishing as most, but our Republic is dependent upon We the People understanding how our Constitution works, and knowing what our elected employees are doing, and holding them accountable. Nevertheless, this is all very informative and interesting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 25, 2020 20:22:35 GMT -5
The President’s lawyers took Schiff and company to the woodshed. In a court of law the judge would be saying “Case dismissed”!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 20:49:23 GMT -5
The President’s lawyers took Schiff and company to the woodshed. In a court of law the judge would be saying “Case dismissed”! When you realize that the Mueller report on the supposed Russian collusion cost the taxpayer $35 million, and found nothing because there was nothing to find, and that the impeachment case was hatched in the minds of demon-crats immediately upon Trump winning the election, even before they decided what they were going to claim his crimes were, it's just mind boggling. The U.S. House of Representatives is a freakshow, and the American people ought to be furious about all this distortion, lies, and lawlessness. If you heard the presentation this morning, the fbi lied, AGAIN, about what they found when they were secretly investigating the Trump campaign and administration. This should be deeply troubling to each and every citizen of this great Republic. The deceit of our public servants and the liberal puppet media has risen to criminal proportions.
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Post by mgderf on Jan 26, 2020 9:21:48 GMT -5
The President’s lawyers took Schiff and company to the woodshed. In a court of law the judge would be saying “Case dismissed”! When you realize that the Mueller report on the supposed Russian collusion cost the taxpayer $35 million, and found nothing because there was nothing to find, and that the impeachment case was hatched in the minds of demon-crats immediately upon Trump winning the election, even before they decided what they were going to claim his crimes were, it's just mind boggling. The U.S. House of Representatives is a freakshow, and the American people ought to be furious about all this distortion, lies, and lawlessness. If you heard the presentation this morning, the fbi lied, AGAIN, about what they found when they were secretly investigating the Trump campaign and administration. This should be deeply troubling to each and every citizen of this great Republic. The deceit of our public servants and the liberal puppet media has risen to criminal proportions. It is my firm belief that more of the U.S. population is paying a lot closer attention to this than is apparent. Much like the "silent majority" that elected Donald Trump in the first place, they are watching, just not responding. The decision will be made at the ballot box in November, and the Democrats are worried sick that they don't stand a chance of winning back the White House. I think they should be more worried about holding onto the House. If things continue on the path they're on, Donald Trump will win a second term, the Republicans will hold the Senate, possibly enlarging their majority, and I believe Republicans will take back the House of Representatives.
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Post by jjas on Jan 26, 2020 10:14:43 GMT -5
I haven't watched two minutes of the entire deal but quite frankly I just don't see the Republican party tossing Trump. It's political suicide.
The upcoming election will tell the tale. If Trump wins, then so be it. If not, then so be it.
That's what elections are for.
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Post by swilk on Jan 26, 2020 10:58:29 GMT -5
The vocal majority voted for Clinton in '16...the silent minority won the electoral college.
I seriously doubt if Trump wins the popular vote in '20 either but that's not what matters.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 26, 2020 23:31:05 GMT -5
It is not true that the Mueller report found "nothing" - multiple convictions and guilty pleas came out of it. The reason Trump was not indicted wasn't lack of evidence, it is because the Justice Department says that a sitting President cannot be indicted. Were it not for that policy, he would have been charged.
The Republicans have so far put up a decent defense, but they have hardly "demolished" the prosecution. Too much talk about Biden. I am not a lawyer, but in my work I had several under contract, and spent a lot of time in courtrooms.
"Hey look what this other guy did" is not an effective defense in any courtroom.
There is ample evidence that Trump held up the aid to pressure Ukraine to announce a Biden investigation to hurt him politically.
Any crime or wrongdoing by Biden does not negate that, it is a separate issue that should be prosecuted as such.
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Post by bartiks on Jan 27, 2020 0:10:04 GMT -5
I always enjoy reading the threads in the politics forum. I think it's interesting since everyone is on the same team and yet there are wildly varying degrees of how patriotic everyone is.
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Post by duff on Jan 27, 2020 5:39:20 GMT -5
I always enjoy reading the threads in the politics forum. I think it's interesting since everyone is on the same team and yet there are wildly varying degrees of how patriotic everyone is. Exactly.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 27, 2020 11:24:29 GMT -5
I am not sure what you mean by varying degrees of patriotic? Being critical of Trump (or Obama or Clinton) does not make someone more or less patriotic than anyone else...
Patriotism does not depend on supporting one particular person, thankfully. If that were true we would have a king, not a President.
Or fo I misunderstand?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 15:16:58 GMT -5
"the clamors of interest and factious men are are often mistaken for patriotism" Alexander Hamilton
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:18:00 GMT -5
I always enjoy reading the threads in the politics forum. I think it's interesting since everyone is on the same team and yet there are wildly varying degrees of how patriotic everyone is. I suppose it depends on what you mean when you say "everyone is on the same team", that's a very vague and broad statement. For example, one "could" say that all Republicans are on the same team, but I would daresay that Republicans who favor infringements on the Second Amendment aren't nearly as patriotic as those who do not.
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Post by bartiks on Jan 28, 2020 9:52:52 GMT -5
To quell some of the questions: Greyhair, the only thing I was getting at there was everyone enjoys our democratic structure of government we have and that we all would defend it to the last breath.
Gregr, the same really applies to you as well. I am not saying that everyone on here is strictly an ultra-right republican or a conservative republican. I am not really saying that everyone on here is a republican at all. It's that we all defend the constitution and I pity anyone to tell us otherwise.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 28, 2020 9:55:16 GMT -5
We are not a democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:02:36 GMT -5
We are a constitutional republic. It makes me crazy how often I hear many of our elected employees talk about "our democracy". The Founders were deathly afraid of a true democracy, and went to great lengths to ensure The People would have fair and adequate representation, while still protecting freedoms and individual liberties from any job majority. The Constitution is exactly what protects those freedoms and individual liberties, no matter how many people might want to infringe upon gun rights of take away Due Process because they're whipped up into an emotional frenzy.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 28, 2020 11:40:48 GMT -5
Bartiks, well put, fair enough
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:40:32 GMT -5
Watching impeachment proceedings again, and have to make this observation: the disparity between the substance of the demon-crats presentation of accusations, versus the Republicans presentation is night and day. Demon-crats are pure hysterical, raw emotion; making arguments based on supposedly, what the President was "thinking", and so, that is why he did what he did. Therefore, unintentionally making an argument that, what was done may not have been inappropriate if done under different circumstances, for different motives.
Republicans are citing the Constitution, pointing out several instances in which the House completely disregarded established procedural norms, making much of their case not legally binding to begin with, but also, explaining very patiently, in exacting detail, what happened, how it's been distorted by the accusors, and why it simply doesn't hold up when examined by the mandates of the Constitution, or American Jurisprudence. I especially appreciate Pat Philbin, he does an outstanding job of presenting and explaining the Presidents defense. Jay Sekulow is pretty good too.
Also, never forget that the House held on to the Articles of Impeachment for quite some time, for political advantage, before finally sending them to the Senate.
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Post by bartiks on Jan 28, 2020 15:32:54 GMT -5
I know that we are a constitutional republic, just funny how fast someone is to point that out. Can't poke a little fun. Although I should probably not do it in the politics forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 15:39:19 GMT -5
I know that we are a constitutional republic, just funny how fast someone is to point that out. Can't poke a little fun. Although I should probably not do it in the politics forum. Nah, you're so fine. I just think it's so quick to get pointed out because so many seem to not understand that, and it's so important to understand.
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