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Post by firstwd on Jan 22, 2020 21:03:03 GMT -5
Like most every innovation in our sport, at some point some people other than us will have to make a decision about it's use.
Also like most innovations, it's initial price point is elevated and accessories are limited.
Time will tell both if it catches on with the hunting public, and if and how game commissions across the world allow it.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 21:11:04 GMT -5
The real question is if it will be legal for public land. If it has to meet a case length how could it in the original format? It’s not a legal muzzleloader yet in Indiana... so it can’t be in that category!
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 21:12:03 GMT -5
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Post by stevein on Jan 22, 2020 21:13:33 GMT -5
The real question is if it will be legal for public land. I don't know for sure. The case looks longer than 3 inches to me. From the guide... "The cartridge must have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 3 inches." You can squirrel hunt with it though👍😁
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 21:17:07 GMT -5
1.8 max for deer public land.... private maybe!
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2020 21:22:30 GMT -5
I'll bite...what does chip, chip, chip...mean?
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2020 21:24:00 GMT -5
I won't be surprised if this type of rifle is allowed during the muzzleloading season for one simple reason. You still have to load the bullet as you would in any other muzzleloader.
Am I right? Wrong? Time will tell...
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 21:27:59 GMT -5
I won't be surprised if this type of rifle is allowed during the muzzleloading season for one simple reason. You still have to load the bullet as you would in any other muzzleloader. Am I right? Wrong? Time will tell... That would be a fair trade off.... but then a code would have to change to allow it!
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Post by stevein on Jan 22, 2020 21:28:17 GMT -5
Looking at the cartridge some enterprising individual with a lathe could whip them out of steel, aluminum, or brass. Be awesome to do it on a twin spindle twin turret CNC. I think with some experiments the new cartridge could be made to hold 60 or so grains of 4198 and a thin wad.🤔
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2020 21:31:17 GMT -5
I won't be surprised if this type of rifle is allowed during the muzzleloading season for one simple reason. You still have to load the bullet as you would in any other muzzleloader. Am I right? Wrong? Time will tell... That would be a fair trade off.... but then a code would have to change to allow it! If this thing proves to be popular, you never know Indiana might adopt it...
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Post by swilk on Jan 22, 2020 21:45:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure how popular an expensive, proprietary propulsion system in an already saturated market could be....unless it does something that the others don't do, which I doubt.
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Post by mgderf on Jan 23, 2020 7:11:06 GMT -5
I'll bite...what does chip, chip, chip...mean? Chipping away at our rights and freedoms, one little piece at a time.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 23, 2020 7:53:14 GMT -5
I'll bite...what does chip, chip, chip...mean? Chipping away at our rights and freedoms, one little piece at a time. Maybe they are calling a duck, a duck. Looks like this may share the same frame and underlug as their single shot rifles, so it would then HAVE to require a 4473 just like the Encore's.
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Post by HighCotton on Jan 23, 2020 8:50:52 GMT -5
here is IC code again CURRENT Indiana Administrative Code 312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting 312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting (3) A muzzleloading long gun must be .44 caliber or larger, loaded with a bullet at least three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) inch or larger. A muzzleloading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least twelve (12) inches long. The length of a muzzleloading handgun barrel is determined by measuring from the base of the breech plug, excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel, including the muzzle crown. A muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet.
"capable"& "only".....would make almost all inlines not legal.IMO The IC code needs changed. Personally....this is just another evolution in muzzleloading guns just like the evolution of archery gear. IMO Thanks for posting the IC code Greg. The first place I looked (sorry if this has already been mentioned) was the newest "Indiana Hunting & Trapping Guide." Unless I'm missing it somewhere in the guide, the only statement I read is, "A muzzleloading firearm must be capable of being loaded from only the muzzle." No mention of "both powder and bullet." Now I'm wondering, if I'm too lazy to look up the Indiana Code, I'll bet a ton of other people will be like me?!
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Post by stevein on Jan 23, 2020 10:23:38 GMT -5
here is IC code again CURRENT Indiana Administrative Code 312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting 312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting (3) A muzzleloading long gun must be .44 caliber or larger, loaded with a bullet at least three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) inch or larger. A muzzleloading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least twelve (12) inches long. The length of a muzzleloading handgun barrel is determined by measuring from the base of the breech plug, excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel, including the muzzle crown. A muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet.
"capable"& "only".....would make almost all inlines not legal.IMO The IC code needs changed. Personally....this is just another evolution in muzzleloading guns just like the evolution of archery gear. IMO Thanks for posting the IC code Greg. The first place I looked (sorry if this has already been mentioned) was the newest "Indiana Hunting & Trapping Guide." Unless I'm missing it somewhere in the guide, the only statement I read is, "A muzzleloading firearm must be capable of being loaded from only the muzzle." No mention of "both powder and bullet." Now I'm wondering, if I'm too lazy to look up the Indiana Code, I'll bet a ton of other people will be like me?! The clerks at the big box sporting goods stores and other big box establishments will tell customers it is the latest, greatest, bestest thing since sliced bread. Just what their companies want them too. I wonder if it has been on any of the hunting infomercial shows yet?
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