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Post by tynimiller on Dec 4, 2019 8:36:47 GMT -5
I guess it all depends on what you want. Some guys are just happy to kill a doe or a small buck to fill the freezer, while others want to try and kill a giant buck every season. Nothing wrong with either mindset IMO. But the days of "pay to play" (whether it's buying, leasing or putting in improvements on someone else's land) is the way it is for most to hunt deer. I'm fortunate enough to have some private ground to hunt on. In exchange for that access I spend a lot of time during the year working on plots, doing maintenance on (or moving stands), and anything else that needs to be done. In other words....nothing's free in this world (for most of us) and while I'm definitely on the backside of my hunting days, I hope to hunt on the land I have access to for the next several years. But, when that access goes, I'll likely be finished with hunting. Folks don’t lease just to kill a “giant every year” that’s a false perception by many. Most lease to control and secure a area to hunt! Leasing isn’t always about trophy hunting as some want other to perceive. BTW..... If anyone thinks leasing will go away any time soon they are lost at what reality is for sure! Now I will admit I've started seeing a few properties leased for less or back to non-payers who care and honor the property owner's wishes more...I'd go for that to become a trend. I know a few farmers that lease to folks they hate, but the money is too good not to and I cannot even give them half justified to hunt so I just listen to them rant and rave each year LOL
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Post by greghopper on Dec 4, 2019 8:59:24 GMT -5
There’s always will be exceptions to any trend.
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Post by 10point on Dec 4, 2019 9:06:10 GMT -5
The price of leases will be the only good thing to look forward to when CWD takes over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 9:07:11 GMT -5
Leasing prices will go down over the years with the decrease of hunters. There won't be as many hunter that want to lease lands. Supply and demand! The baby boomers (lot of today's hunters) are getting up in age. I'm one of the younger ones.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 4, 2019 10:39:12 GMT -5
Hunting leases are a lot like real estate in that the smaller parcels will average more than larger. I lease a neighbor's 85 acres for $1,000 annually.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 4, 2019 12:53:33 GMT -5
I lease .23 acres to my neighbor for $100 a year. That's all I got.
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Dec 4, 2019 15:48:19 GMT -5
I lease because finding land to hunt in the northern part of the state sucks. I’ve got farms and lost farms that were “free” over the years. I’ve always lent a hand where I could and followed their rules. However most of the time I found that a family member, neighbor, or friend of a friend ended my time on that piece of property. In fact before finding my current lease I found it hard to find even a lease with money in hand let alone free. Again most of them had family or friends that hunted and I don’t believe their are many “poor” farmers that truly need the money. My current lease is 600 acres for $2,000 a year. Additionally, I own 20 acres of all woods and have one 40 acre (friend of a friend) in an Urban Zone and another 15 acre “free” property in an urban zone.
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 4, 2019 16:25:53 GMT -5
The hunting club I belong to in Alabama is 2,500 acres and the lease is $27,000 a year. As a lease goes that is good. It is only $10.80 an acre and is 4.21 sq miles. Question what are your yearly dues to be in the hunt club and how meny members. Is membership limited to a certin number of people.Are you limited on what you can shoot (number of deer,sex,horn size) can you take family to hunt on your membership? Can you hunt any place on the properity? Can you camp(bring a camper and stay all week) I ask these questions because I am curious. This is a way of hunting I have never been a round and wonder how it works. I have other questions but will leave it at that. Onebentarrow
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Post by jjas on Dec 4, 2019 17:38:11 GMT -5
I guess it all depends on what you want. Some guys are just happy to kill a doe or a small buck to fill the freezer, while others want to try and kill a giant buck every season. Nothing wrong with either mindset IMO. But the days of "pay to play" (whether it's buying, leasing or putting in improvements on someone else's land) is the way it is for most to hunt deer. I'm fortunate enough to have some private ground to hunt on. In exchange for that access I spend a lot of time during the year working on plots, doing maintenance on (or moving stands), and anything else that needs to be done. In other words....nothing's free in this world (for most of us) and while I'm definitely on the backside of my hunting days, I hope to hunt on the land I have access to for the next several years. But, when that access goes, I'll likely be finished with hunting. Folks don’t lease just to kill a “giant every year” that’s a false perception by many. Most lease to control and secure a area to hunt! Leasing isn’t always about trophy hunting as some want other to perceive. BTW..... If anyone thinks leasing will go away any time soon they are lost at what reality is for sure! Nowhere did I say anything about people leasing just to kill a "giant every year". As a matter of fact, if you take the time to re-read my post that you are referencing I said "Some guys are just happy to kill a doe or a small buck to fill the freezer, while others want to try and kill a giant buck every season. Nothing wrong with either mindset IMO."
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Post by treetop on Dec 4, 2019 18:14:58 GMT -5
Folks don’t lease just to kill a “giant every year” that’s a false perception by many. Most lease to control and secure a area to hunt! Leasing isn’t always about trophy hunting as some want other to perceive. BTW..... If anyone thinks leasing will go away any time soon they are lost at what reality is for sure! Nowhere did I say anything about people leasing just to kill a "giant every year". As a matter of fact, if you take the time to re-read my post that you are referencing I said "Some guys are just happy to kill a doe or a small buck to fill the freezer, while others want to try and kill a giant buck every season. Nothing wrong with either mindset IMO." I’d say there’s a ton of people leasing to and kill a giant every year it’s just not public knowledge Just go one state over and see what you’ll pay in the triangle believe me there not paying to hunt 110 class deer I have several customers that spend tons of cash on ground they pay people to set stands plant food plots and manage the ground and the likes granted they make a dang good living believe me put two or three doctors together it will add up quickly How much do you think someone like lee and tiffeny spend on ground
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Post by parrothead on Dec 5, 2019 6:23:50 GMT -5
I have a turkey on Membership which is 750 per year There are 23 full members. 22 of them pay 1750 per year. The 23 guy is free he does all the tractor work each fall planting green fields. A full member can take guest which cost 40 bucks per day with a limit of 3 days. I will have to pull out my rules to ck with how family works. I know a guy cant pay 1750 and have 5 kids and take them out everytime. Thats not fair since he paid 1750 and is taking 6 people. There are 5 work days a year and full members must work 3 of them or you are fined 200 for each of 3 days you missed. Bucks must be 4 pts or better not sure about how wide will need to look or you get fined for small ones. No does after Dec 31 as rut is getting closer and season goes till early Feb. There is a sign our place. It has areal of whole property which is divided into 40 some pieces. Your put your magnet on section you are hunting. You can hunt anywhere. There are prob 20 shooting houses or you can use your own. They have a club house with 2 baths, full kitchen, bedrooms, cable TV. I can use for free. There are also 8 campers that guys leave there year round. They are charged around 150 a year to park there for electric. There are some guys that are members that never hunted there last year. One guy just goes down there every weekend to drink, cook and socialize.
There are all different types of clubs with different rules. Let me know if you have any other questions I will find my club rules sheet.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2019 6:57:42 GMT -5
I lease because finding land to hunt in the northern part of the state sucks. I’ve got farms and lost farms that were “free” over the years. I’ve always lent a hand where I could and followed their rules. However most of the time I found that a family member, neighbor, or friend of a friend ended my time on that piece of property. In fact before finding my current lease I found it hard to find even a lease with money in hand let alone free. Again most of them had family or friends that hunted and I don’t believe their are many “poor” farmers that truly need the money. My current lease is 600 acres for $2,000 a year. Additionally, I own 20 acres of all woods and have one 40 acre (friend of a friend) in an Urban Zone and another 15 acre “free” property in an urban zone. I'd say you got quite a few options for things sucking LOL
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Dec 5, 2019 14:33:58 GMT -5
I lease because finding land to hunt in the northern part of the state sucks. I’ve got farms and lost farms that were “free” over the years. I’ve always lent a hand where I could and followed their rules. However most of the time I found that a family member, neighbor, or friend of a friend ended my time on that piece of property. In fact before finding my current lease I found it hard to find even a lease with money in hand let alone free. Again most of them had family or friends that hunted and I don’t believe their are many “poor” farmers that truly need the money. My current lease is 600 acres for $2,000 a year. Additionally, I own 20 acres of all woods and have one 40 acre (friend of a friend) in an Urban Zone and another 15 acre “free” property in an urban zone. I'd say you got quite a few options for things sucking LOL True now but there again even in my case it’s more pay to play and friend stuff. Believe me when I say I know how blessed I am to have these options. Especially since most of my youth was on public land mainly Jasper Pulaski(JP) and some Kingsbury. Those JP deer get kinks in their necks from looking up in the trees more than they do down 😉
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 6, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -5
The price of leases will be the only good thing to look forward to when CWD takes over. I kinda agree with 10 point here. As CWD takes a hold in Indiana, more and more hunters are going to throw in the towel and less young people are going to take up the sport. It’s a simple matter of economics to me, gear , time, effort and money, all wasted if your deer comes back positive. How long will that be sustainable? Not to mention how can you be sure you’re not getting contaminated meat back from the processor even if yours tests ok? Perfect example is raccoons. When I was young you couldn’t find a raccoon along the road, used to get $40 for a jumbo, carcass and all, now ya can’t give em away. No use for em, deer will be the same. I predict within 10 years farmers will be paying hunters to shoot em. Just my thoughts.
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Post by jjas on Dec 6, 2019 11:26:21 GMT -5
The price of leases will be the only good thing to look forward to when CWD takes over. I kinda agree with 10 point here. As CWD takes a hold in Indiana, more and more hunters are going to throw in the towel and less young people are going to take up the sport. It’s a simple matter of economics to me, gear , time, effort and money, all wasted if your deer comes back positive. How long will that be sustainable? Not to mention how can you be sure you’re not getting contaminated meat back from the processor even if yours tests ok? Perfect example is raccoons. When I was young you couldn’t find a raccoon along the road, used to get $40 for a jumbo, carcass and all, now ya can’t give em away. No use for em, deer will be the same. I predict within 10 years farmers will be paying hunters to shoot em. Just my thoughts. As long as there are antlers, there will be people willing to pay to hunt deer. I know guys who hunt for horns and give the meat away every time they kill a deer.
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Post by 10point on Dec 6, 2019 16:25:35 GMT -5
I kinda agree with 10 point here. As CWD takes a hold in Indiana, more and more hunters are going to throw in the towel and less young people are going to take up the sport. It’s a simple matter of economics to me, gear , time, effort and money, all wasted if your deer comes back positive. How long will that be sustainable? Not to mention how can you be sure you’re not getting contaminated meat back from the processor even if yours tests ok? Perfect example is raccoons. When I was young you couldn’t find a raccoon along the road, used to get $40 for a jumbo, carcass and all, now ya can’t give em away. No use for em, deer will be the same. I predict within 10 years farmers will be paying hunters to shoot em. Just my thoughts. As long as there are antlers, there will be people willing to pay to hunt deer. I know guys who hunt for horns and give the meat away every time they kill a deer. Yes, but less of them. My uncle in PA has hunted his whole life and lives near a CWD zone in PA. He claims many people aren't going out and he only went for a few hours on opening day.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 6, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -5
I kinda agree with 10 point here. As CWD takes a hold in Indiana, more and more hunters are going to throw in the towel and less young people are going to take up the sport. It’s a simple matter of economics to me, gear , time, effort and money, all wasted if your deer comes back positive. How long will that be sustainable? Not to mention how can you be sure you’re not getting contaminated meat back from the processor even if yours tests ok? Perfect example is raccoons. When I was young you couldn’t find a raccoon along the road, used to get $40 for a jumbo, carcass and all, now ya can’t give em away. No use for em, deer will be the same. I predict within 10 years farmers will be paying hunters to shoot em. Just my thoughts. As long as there are antlers, there will be people willing to pay to hunt deer. I know guys who hunt for horns and give the meat away every time they kill a deer. It’ll take a while but as I understand it cwd gives a deer about a three year life span , no time to grow a rack.
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Post by esshup on Dec 6, 2019 17:57:19 GMT -5
As long as there are antlers, there will be people willing to pay to hunt deer. I know guys who hunt for horns and give the meat away every time they kill a deer. It’ll take a while but as I understand it cwd gives a deer about a three year life span , no time to grow a rack. Not all deer are affected by it. Just like the plague back when with humans, if all were affected by it we wouldn't be here now.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 6, 2019 21:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 6, 2019 21:54:49 GMT -5
All cervids are susceptible, some just take longer to die. It’s not a bacterial or viral disease.
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