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Post by chewbacca on Oct 16, 2019 11:36:13 GMT -5
Not a fan of the tent blinds. Why not just build a little ground blind of brush and natural materials like hunters have been doing forever? This gets around the 12" orange squares requirement too. I've got one spot there are no trees suitable for a stand so we just tuck into the fenceline behind a couple scrubby cedars. Myself and partners have killed quite a few deer from this spot, both archery and firearms. This too may need clarification as my understanding was that ANY ground blind (regardless of materials) was subject to the hunter orange reg. Here's something posted by Morrison... 312 IAC 9-2-15 General requirements for hunter orange on ground blinds Authority: IC 14-10-2-4; IC 14-22-2-6 Affected: IC 14-22-38-7 Sec. 15. An occupied ground blind must have at least one hundred forty-four (144) square inches of hunter orange that is visible on each side of the blind from one-half (1/2) hour before sunrise to one-half (1/2) hour after sunset when the hunter is required to wear hunter orange in accordance with IC 14-22-38-7 or 312 IAC 9-3-2(t). (Natural Resources Commission; 312 IAC 9-2-15; filed Sep 13, 2013, 3:02 p.m.: 20131009-IR-312120670FRA; readopted filed May 20, 2014, 9:43 a.m.: 20140618-IR-312140017RFA) Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it probably would be good to get clarification if anyone plans on hunting this way... I asked a CO this not long after the rule was passed. He said it all comes down to what the officer's definition of what a ground blind is. He said that to him it is a completely concealed enclosure and that as long as our orange hat/coat is visible it would be legal (to him). Other officers may interpret that differently, though. |
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Post by jjas on Oct 16, 2019 12:21:43 GMT -5
This too may need clarification as my understanding was that ANY ground blind (regardless of materials) was subject to the hunter orange reg. Here's something posted by Morrison... 312 IAC 9-2-15 General requirements for hunter orange on ground blinds Authority: IC 14-10-2-4; IC 14-22-2-6 Affected: IC 14-22-38-7 Sec. 15. An occupied ground blind must have at least one hundred forty-four (144) square inches of hunter orange that is visible on each side of the blind from one-half (1/2) hour before sunrise to one-half (1/2) hour after sunset when the hunter is required to wear hunter orange in accordance with IC 14-22-38-7 or 312 IAC 9-3-2(t). (Natural Resources Commission; 312 IAC 9-2-15; filed Sep 13, 2013, 3:02 p.m.: 20131009-IR-312120670FRA; readopted filed May 20, 2014, 9:43 a.m.: 20140618-IR-312140017RFA) Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it probably would be good to get clarification if anyone plans on hunting this way... I asked a CO this not long after the rule was passed. He said it all comes down to what the officer's definition of what a ground blind is. He said that to him it is a completely concealed enclosure and that as long as our orange hat/coat is visible it would be legal (to him). Other officers may interpret that differently, though. And therein lies the issue. I'd hate to be sitting in a natural blind and have a CO write me up for it just because of the way they "interpret" the law. IMO, this should be an easy law to say it's either legal or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 12:49:46 GMT -5
What is ANY ground blind. What does this mean? How do make legal a group of downed cedars trees that I hunt in the middle. 100% natural from the summer straight line wind storm that came through. I sit on trunk near the center. EVen has a back rest. Works perfect. Is this "ANY ground blind"  ? |
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Post by jjas on Oct 16, 2019 13:26:09 GMT -5
What is ANY ground blind. What does this mean? How do make legal a group of downed cedars trees that I hunt in the middle. 100% natural from the summer straight line wind storm that came through. I sit on trunk near the center. EVen has a back rest. Works perfect. Is this "ANY ground blind" ? That's why the question was posed to begin with... Is a blind made of natural materials subject to the same hunter orange requirements as a blind constructed of man made materials? The way the law is written, it appears that it is. Some seem to think it's up to the CO. I'm not an authority on the subject, but I surely wouldn't want to be cited by the DNR because one CO thinks it is, while another may say no it's not. In other words...if I were going to hunt from the ground in the middle of a bunch of downed cedar branches, I'd want to know if the DNR says I need to have the appropriate amount of hunter orange showing or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 13:33:53 GMT -5
What is ANY ground blind. What does this mean? How do make legal a group of downed cedars trees that I hunt in the middle. 100% natural from the summer straight line wind storm that came through. I sit on trunk near the center. EVen has a back rest. Works perfect. Is this "ANY ground blind" ? That's why the question was posed to begin with... Is a blind made of natural materials subject to the same hunter orange requirements as a blind constructed of man made materials? The way the law is written, it appears that it is. Some seem to think it's up to the CO. I don't know, but I surely wouldn't want to be cited by the DNR because one CO thinks it is, while another may say no it's not. Seems to me there should be an easy yes or no answer. I'm not changing a thing on this cedar blind. There will be no orange except what's on me. Kind of stupid to put orange around a group of down cedars. This is the spot where I had my stand last year that got blocked down by cedars. One hit my stand and knocked it sideways. That's the stand I moved last month. |
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Post by jjas on Oct 16, 2019 14:26:33 GMT -5
Waynes
I think it's kind of silly for me to have to wear hunter orange inside of a shooting house that is less than 48" off the ground or a pop up ground blind (even though both have hunter orange on the outside), but I do it because it's the law.
Hopefully you won't be written up by a CO who decides you aren't in compliance with the law.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 16, 2019 15:15:55 GMT -5
From eregulations..
An occupied ground blind must display hunter orange of at least 144 square inches on each side so that it is visible from any direction while deer hunting during any deer season in which a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange.
Hunter orange is required on ground blinds constructed of man-made or synthetic materials and placed on or within 4 feet of the ground. The hunter orange must be visible from all directions, and is required on public and private land. A flag placed on top of a blind does not satisfy this hunter orange requirement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 16:38:04 GMT -5
We`ll just disagree. People get struck by lightening too, but it`s still very long odds on it happening. And I still believe that if someone were shot in a blind, it would be from such a place that they wouldn`t have had a lone of sight to the blind anyway. Me personally, I`m more than fine with hunting in a blind minus the orange. I`m not a gambler, but that`s a risk I could live with. Greg, I'm not saying you're right or wrong. The law wasn't written to protect the guy in the blind. The law was written to protect the hunter who couldn't see the blind from being sued by the guy in the blind from an accidental shooting. I couldn't live with myself if I accidentally shot someone in their blind. Having orange on the blind prevents me from ever doing this. Yeah, I understand chewbacca, I get it. I was only expressing my opinion, and someone kinda jumped on it, it wasn`t you. All`s well my friend. |
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Post by greghopper on Oct 16, 2019 18:17:25 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.... it when they start making up their OWN facts things get sticky.
BTW ..... looks like the HO on blinds was taken off the list for consideration for rule change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:06:47 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.... it when they start making up their OWN facts things get sticky. BTW ..... looks like the HO on blinds was taken off the list for consideration for rule change. Nothing sticky here, I gave my opinion, nothing else. |
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Post by esshup on Oct 16, 2019 19:44:16 GMT -5
Then you have those round hay bale blinds, that from a distance look like a real round hay bale.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:51:56 GMT -5
Then you have those round hay bale blinds, that from a distance look like a real round hay bale..... I`ve always wanted one of those... |
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