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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 19, 2019 19:40:21 GMT -5
That’s their excuse anyway.. I think they have quality issues and most definitely high price issues.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 19, 2019 19:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 21:11:14 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Sept 19, 2019 23:26:11 GMT -5
The price is certainly an issue - most working guys would look twice when they can get an AR style weapon much cheaper than Colt. Personally, my next purchase will be a .22 WMR semiautomatic rifle. It will work for most anything I want to do, except for deer, and I can carry 600 rounds in my range bag. Try carrying around 600 rounds of 5.56 or .308! .22 WMR is a perfectly good self defense round too, with hollow points. As a buddy says, a .22 to the neck is better than a .45 airball.
I see Colt is bringing back the snake pistols. I had a King Cobra, wish I had kept it.
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Post by medic22 on Sept 20, 2019 7:30:29 GMT -5
The price is certainly an issue - most working guys would look twice when they can get an AR style weapon much cheaper than Colt. Personally, my next purchase will be a .22 WMR semiautomatic rifle. It will work for most anything I want to do, except for deer, and I can carry 600 rounds in my range bag. Try carrying around 600 rounds of 5.56 or .308! .22 WMR is a perfectly good self defense round too, with hollow points. As a buddy says, a .22 to the neck is better than a .45 airball. I see Colt is bringing back the snake pistols. I had a King Cobra, wish I had kept it. I hope not, the value of my Python will tank. They are making the King Cobra again, its already out in stores.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 20, 2019 8:10:04 GMT -5
I watched Edward Snowden the other night in a long interview. Not taking sides, but some of the things he was talking about are actually happening, and some things he predicts are scary. The level of surveillance we are subjected to and the manipulation of data about us is true science fiction stuff. Your new smartphone really can be made to snoop on you, and so can Alexa devices, high end TV's etc. That, combined with the latest facial recognition software and advanced computers, and cameras everywhere make for an Orwellian world. Revealing what is going on is the real reason that he got in trouble. I am not a conspiracy kind of guy, but if you read up on how China is developing a "social credit score" for individuals using these very tools you get the idea. As a government employee I figure they know more about me than I do, so I don’t worry about what devices they hear or see me using. As a government employee, I also feel the same way. I've got nothing to hide so they can go ahead and tune in. It is going to be a pretty boring telecast for them though. I've always said, don't give the government a reason to look for anything and they won't come looking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:13:36 GMT -5
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Post by jbird on Sept 20, 2019 8:48:14 GMT -5
I have nothing to hide from the government....but that still doesn't make me feel safe that they are watching. The joke used to be....in America you watch TV, in Russia the TV watches you! Well guess what?!?!? The thing I don't like is the manipulation and spin in the media and in our educational systems. It's programming generations of people to believe that the stuff they see on TV is real. It's not. The news is heavily skewed and these "reality" TV shows and the like...are not real either. People should be free to think for themselves! The media went from sharing the facts and letting the people decide to being essentially a propaganda machine, only telling the portion of the story they want you to hear.
Colt claiming they are not selling in an adequate supplied market, means either they are caving and as such just being political about it....OR they can not compete with other manufacturers in that segment.
You want background checks and registration for second-hand sales....fine. But they need a robust and FREE system to do that. Otherwise QUIT punishing those that abide by the law as it is! I agree we don't need fully automatic weapons....but a semi-automatic rifle (regardless of what it looks like - ooohhhh it looks scary so it must be dangerous) has been around for over 100 years....why now is it an issue? We should be advocating the ability to defend yourself and others to be able to suppress and respond to these "shootings".....not this "be a victim" mentality!
Best way to stop a mass shooting....SHOOT BACK!
Where is my tin-foil hat?!?
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Post by esshup on Sept 20, 2019 10:13:30 GMT -5
Agreed jbird. Another thing that bothers me is that many don't pay attention to what they are saying when they are talking about guns, or they flat out don't know what they are talking about. I've seen recent news about "automatic" guns, not "semi-Automatic" guns. There IS a huge difference between them.
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Post by moose1am on Sept 20, 2019 11:18:03 GMT -5
I don't see anything passing in the U.S. Senate in the near future. Mitch McConnell is in the midst of a re-election bid and there's no way he allows back ground checks or anything else related to gun control to hit the floor of the Senate. Maybe AFTER next year's presidential election, but not before. The only thing I see maybe changing that is IF Trump says he'll sign it. Do I think that a growing number of citizens want expanded background checks? Yes I do. Do I think that a growing number of people want private sales to run through those same expanded background checks. Yes I do. Do I think that either of those changes would stop these shootings? No. In the end, it seems to me the tide is turning against gun ownership (when it comes to AR type rifles and high capacity magazines) and I only see that growing. If that continues, I see more politicians (who really only care about keeping their jobs) turning to the side of those who support more gun control, regardless of whether there is a D, R or I after their names. What everyone is not talking about in here yet is the courts and how the GOP has control of the Supreme Court and has been adding judges to the lower courts in record numbers since Trump was elected.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 11:30:18 GMT -5
By years end around 200 judges. Gun control will be pushed down to the states level to decide. Not Federal. Virginia looks likely be the 1st state to vote on this subject. President Trump is directing that the States regulate these issues. Same will happen with abortions. President Trump already moved on from last week gun noise. Now he's working on the Foreign private company the "Federal Reserve". It's days are over.
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 20, 2019 11:59:31 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Sept 20, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -5
jbird The way I read the article I posted about Colt basically says they can't sell their AR rifles @ the price point many ARs are selling for right now in the civilian market. No big surprise there. Colt firearms have always been expensive and in the precarious financial position Colt is in, it makes more sense for them to sell higher demand and profit arms like their pistols and revolvers to the civilian market and manufacture ARs for the law enforcement and military market (who apparently are willing to spend taxpayer dollars on the higher priced Colt ARs). Here's a link to an article from American Rifleman posted today about this very subject... www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/9/20/the-keefe-report-colt-s-mfg-and-foolishness/
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Post by bill9068 on Sept 20, 2019 15:01:54 GMT -5
Build you’re own. Heard there’s over 400 companies that sell parts for AR’s. One of my sons built me this one a few years ago.
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Post by deadeer on Sept 20, 2019 17:43:08 GMT -5
Build you’re own. Heard there’s over 400 companies that sell parts for AR’s. One of my sons built me this one a few years ago. That's the way to go. I hardly knew anything about them a year ago. Now I have put some together and LOVE them. Gonna try to exclusively hunt with them this gun season.
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Post by esshup on Sept 20, 2019 23:32:14 GMT -5
Build you’re own. Heard there’s over 400 companies that sell parts for AR’s. One of my sons built me this one a few years ago. That's the way to go. I hardly knew anything about them a year ago. Now I have put some together and LOVE them. Gonna try to exclusively hunt with them this gun season. And this is coming from someone that 2 years ago said something to the effect "I have no use for them". LOL
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Post by deadeer on Sept 21, 2019 0:36:34 GMT -5
Lol. I can't argue there. IF it wasn't for the fact that there are calibers I can deer hunt with, then no I wouldn't have one. But after handling and shooting, I found they are very comfortable and obviously adjustable to fit a variety of shooters.
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Post by stevein on Sept 21, 2019 7:43:17 GMT -5
I see the so called RedFlag Laws and some form of expanded background checks as being the most likely to be passed. Expanded will mean all sales will be checked and will be a cash cow for gun stores. I don't have a problem with RFL concept except I do not see a way to do them without violating a person's rights. Abuse of these laws similar to swatting and false reporting do not seem to be covered. Also For a person to go to court in defense of RFL would cost probably several thousand dollars for lawyers.
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Post by stevein on Sept 21, 2019 7:52:54 GMT -5
I see Colt's dropping ARs as a business move. I think they have been in bankruptcy in the not to distant past. I do not think they even make rifles for the military anymore. The iconic 1911 is also made by just about everyone for a lot less than a colt.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 21, 2019 8:17:28 GMT -5
I saw the Sandy Hook Promise ad on TV. Yes, it gets to you even if you know it’s all actors.
I checked out their website and it appears that it is all about gettIng to the source - the shooters themselves. It was a quick perusal but I did not see anything about gun control on it.
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