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Post by greyhair on Sept 18, 2019 23:07:42 GMT -5
Ok, so it is looking like Trump will sign an upcoming bill for universal background checks and red flag confiscation.
In other words he will ok the first major loss of gun rights in a long time.
I said this before, never mind the Democrat radicals, Trump is the threat.
Ok, beat me up now, but later I will say "I told you so"
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Post by deadeer on Sept 19, 2019 1:13:25 GMT -5
Inevitably, it was bound to happen. The wackos dont need guns, cars, knives, swords, etc. They will find something to use as a weapon, law or not. WHO and WHAT determines who is a wacko is what is the issue. I dont want to see anything threaten our 2nd ammendment thats for sure!
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Post by greghopper on Sept 19, 2019 4:53:01 GMT -5
Inevitably, it was bound to happen. The wackos dont need guns, cars, knives, swords, etc. They will find something to use as a weapon, law or not. WHO and WHAT determines who is a wacko is what is the issue. I dont want to see anything threaten our 2nd ammendment thats for sure! Exactly..... if the Democratics where in office it would already happened . Just look how the democratic debate went. Surely if your a Democratic your smart enough to understand that..... but maybe not!
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 19, 2019 5:05:54 GMT -5
I'm okay with deeper background checks. But, I'm not a criminal so why wouldn't I be?
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 19, 2019 5:14:57 GMT -5
Criminals are always going to find a way to get a firearm. Motivated individuals will always find a way to carry out their plans wether they use a gun, knife, car, bomb, tube sock with a cue ball....
The majority of the laws will only effect law abiding citizens with the HOPE of catching a few more people will I'll intentions.
They sometimes like to say that the new laws are "concrete". But, what do we all know about concrete? It cracks. And when it cracks, things slip through.
I love my guns and will continue to buy a couple more. I don't necessarily need 8 AR platform rifles but, I'm not opposed to others who think they do.
As far as the talks from some of, not all, the Dems over confiscating my firearms I say "Hey Beto, come get em!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 6:21:43 GMT -5
I don't think he will. Trump is using this to find out in the Senate who believes in the Constitution and who does not. He is playing them. He is now weeding out the gray hats.
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Post by medic22 on Sept 19, 2019 8:39:31 GMT -5
Trump was never a friend to gun owners.
Red flag laws will be the new swatting of 2020, only this time people will die during the inevitable no knock warrants.
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 9:30:28 GMT -5
I don't see anything passing in the U.S. Senate in the near future. Mitch McConnell is in the midst of a re-election bid and there's no way he allows back ground checks or anything else related to gun control to hit the floor of the Senate. Maybe AFTER next year's presidential election, but not before. The only thing I see maybe changing that is IF Trump says he'll sign it.
Do I think that a growing number of citizens want expanded background checks? Yes I do.
Do I think that a growing number of people want private sales to run through those same expanded background checks. Yes I do.
Do I think that either of those changes would stop these shootings? No.
In the end, it seems to me the tide is turning against gun ownership (when it comes to AR type rifles and high capacity magazines) and I only see that growing.
If that continues, I see more politicians (who really only care about keeping their jobs) turning to the side of those who support more gun control, regardless of whether there is a D, R or I after their names.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:33:39 GMT -5
Locked and Loaded. It's Hammer Time. Soon the States will need to make a decision. It will not be a Federal ruling. There will be two States issues. Note: my soon is 3-6 years.
gun regulations Abortions
My key for this is the blood banks. If they need to go on a massive drive.
I know this is way out there for some, but huge changes are happening. Noise level very high.
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Sept 19, 2019 12:01:04 GMT -5
Do I think that a growing number of citizens want expanded background checks? Yes I do. Do I think that a growing number of people want private sales to run through those same expanded background checks. Yes I do. I wonder if a survey was done asking those questions, and also asking those people if they own more than one gun, and seeing how the vote is skewed or how the line is drawn between people that actually own guns vs. non-gun owners.
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Post by Pinoc on Sept 19, 2019 13:20:12 GMT -5
I asked my wife the other day “where do you want me to draw the line?” We like to talk big about “come and get my guns” but when it comes down to that and your families lives are on the line you had better know what is expected of you. I am ready right now to make a stand but is my family ready for the consequences?
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Post by jbird on Sept 19, 2019 14:56:54 GMT -5
When the government makes law abiding men criminals.....then it's time to break the law!
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Post by swindianapaul on Sept 19, 2019 14:59:58 GMT -5
I remember a conversation I had with an Evan Bayh field rep in Evansville. I was discussing the 'push' then to outlaw certain types of ammo which did not contain an approved head stamp identifier. Explained I was a competitive shooter and had thousands of rounds which would not meet future requirements if enacted. His response was, 'well, you will need to turn it in'. I asked if I was to be compensated or provided a similar amount of 'legal' ammo free. He said, 'No'. I then politely told him I would turn it in, '1 round at a time'. He didn't get it.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 19, 2019 16:32:50 GMT -5
I would be fine with private sales background checks IF the NICS system was available to the public free of charge.
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Post by nvg on Sept 19, 2019 18:02:04 GMT -5
I have typed out a couple of things on this thread and the Assault Rifle Ban thread only to wipe them clean and not post-afraid I'd sound like a raving looney. I will say this, Will Trump sign bill-not sure. Is he playing 5D chess with Dems and RINOs-maybe. What I am sure of, any bill they pass is NOT going to benefit you or me. It will not stop criminals because criminals don't care what laws are passed, They're Criminals! Talks of monitoring phone calls/messages of mentally unstable people is in the works as we speak (who's going to set these guidelines?). Hell, according to Edward Snowden, they already monitor everything all of us say and do now-why just pick on the mentally disturbed? I have a bad feeling about the very near future- now until election time.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 19, 2019 18:09:01 GMT -5
We have people in power that took the book 1984 as an instruction manual instead of a warning.
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Post by greyhair on Sept 19, 2019 18:46:09 GMT -5
I watched Edward Snowden the other night in a long interview. Not taking sides, but some of the things he was talking about are actually happening, and some things he predicts are scary. The level of surveillance we are subjected to and the manipulation of data about us is true science fiction stuff. Your new smartphone really can be made to snoop on you, and so can Alexa devices, high end TV's etc. That, combined with the latest facial recognition software and advanced computers, and cameras everywhere make for an Orwellian world.
Revealing what is going on is the real reason that he got in trouble. I am not a conspiracy kind of guy, but if you read up on how China is developing a "social credit score" for individuals using these very tools you get the idea.
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Post by nvg on Sept 19, 2019 18:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Sept 19, 2019 19:18:22 GMT -5
I watched Edward Snowden the other night in a long interview. Not taking sides, but some of the things he was talking about are actually happening, and some things he predicts are scary. The level of surveillance we are subjected to and the manipulation of data about us is true science fiction stuff. Your new smartphone really can be made to snoop on you, and so can Alexa devices, high end TV's etc. That, combined with the latest facial recognition software and advanced computers, and cameras everywhere make for an Orwellian world. Revealing what is going on is the real reason that he got in trouble. I am not a conspiracy kind of guy, but if you read up on how China is developing a "social credit score" for individuals using these very tools you get the idea. As a government employee I figure they know more about me than I do, so I don’t worry about what devices they hear or see me using.
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