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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 21, 2019 17:29:25 GMT -5
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that we have a new map on the website for EHD. www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/8541.htm It is down at the bottom of the page now. This map will be updated when I enter new reports of deer suspected to have EHD, deer that have been tested, and deer that have been confirmed by the laboratory. If you click on a county, you can see additional details about how many have been reported, tested, sick, etc. Hopefully this will provide more up to date information as well as allowing individuals to see how many reports we have in each county. It is important to remember that areas that are with landowners/homeowners will likely result in a greater number of reports, just because there are more eyes watching the deer and urban / suburban deer tend to be more visible. Let me know if you have any questions. joe Joe N. Caudell, Ph.D., CWB State Deer Biologist dnr.IN.gov Next Level Survey Link www.surveymonkey.com/r/FLNDLW8
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Post by greghopper on Aug 21, 2019 18:16:51 GMT -5
Good read......
Indiana DNR Management
Because EHD is a naturally occurring disease in deer and there is no effective treatment for wild deer, Indiana DNR only monitors for the disease and then assesses the potential effect of the disease on local deer populations as the season progresses. Deer can continue to be infected by EHD for about two weeks after the first significant frost and may be found dead for another couple of weeks. At this point, the hunting season may be underway, and it may be too late to make any changes to current-year harvest regulations.
EHD is not thought to have long-term effects on the deer population size because:
Hunters typically harvest fewer deer during a deer season preceded by an EHD outbreak. Deer die from EHD rather than by the annual harvest. When deer populations are lowered (e.g., through disease, high harvest, or other reasons), deer respond by giving birth to more fawns the next year (i.e., a higher birth rate) and typically a greater number of fawns survive to the next year’s hunting season (i.e., greater recruitment rate). EHD events on the landscape tend to be spotty and localized. While EHD may be confirmed in a county, only a small portion of the county may be affected. When Indiana DNR reviews the effects of the harvest to set the next year’s deer harvest regulations, all known and estimated mortality is taken into consideration, including the harvest, known disease outbreaks, deer-vehicle collisions, and deer depredation permits. If a county has experienced higher than normal total mortality in the deer population, Indiana DNR can make adjustments the next year as needed.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 21, 2019 18:36:22 GMT -5
As of 8/21/2019
Confirmed. 1 Deer Repor..170 Dead Deer 113 Sick Deer 34 Tested Deer 26
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 22, 2019 6:30:07 GMT -5
The hysteria which surrounds EHD on a whole county or state level right now is getting to a ridiculous level. Now folks are claiming we're going to lose 25%, shoot I've heard folks claim 50% of the herd before season even begins. This isn't a laughing matter but idiotic things like this makes us as hunters look insanely misinformed and uninformed.
First, no one even knows how many deer there are statewide outside of estimates...but let's operate in a hypothetical world if you will for a moment: Say the harvest represents just 1/3 of the deer in the state...that would mean the herd is 300K-400K strong...meaning the 50% claim is arguing nearly 200,000 deer will die...25% nearly 100,000. That is just absurd.
EHD is sadly a part of nature and in small or large ways impacts localized herds throughout the state every year. Social media and a more active hunter base each year, means far more communication and ease of reporting/posting things will always make it seem larger than it most likely is.
Greg's post about deer recovery is spot on, and is why anyone that has been through an outbreak in their areas know just take a deep breathe-adjust your harvest plans accordingly.
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Post by jjas on Aug 22, 2019 6:51:42 GMT -5
The hysteria which surrounds EHD on a whole county or state level right now is getting to a ridiculous level. Now folks are claiming we're going to lose 25%, shoot I've heard folks claim 50% of the herd before season even begins. This isn't a laughing matter but idiotic things like this makes us as hunters look insanely misinformed and uninformed. First, no one even knows how many deer there are statewide outside of estimates...but let's operate in a hypothetical world if you will for a moment: Say the harvest represents just 1/3 of the deer in the state...that would mean the herd is 300K-400K strong...meaning the 50% claim is arguing nearly 200,000 deer will die...25% nearly 100,000. That is just absurd. EHD is sadly a part of nature and in small or large ways impacts localized herds throughout the state every year. Social media and a more active hunter base each year, means far more communication and ease of reporting/posting things will always make it seem larger than it most likely is. Greg's post about deer recovery is spot on, and is why anyone that has been through an outbreak in their areas know just take a deep breathe-adjust your harvest plans accordingly. Some of the "hysteria" is (IMO) agenda driven as some in this state want the late antlerless season done away and an EHD "outbreak" is a way to sell it. Are there reasons to be concerned? Sure. And the data needs to be watched. But (as has been pointed out) hunters need to take stock of the deer numbers in their areas and adjust their deer harvest if necessary.
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 22, 2019 7:43:51 GMT -5
All of southern Indiana got good soaking rains of 1" or more last night. Definitely beneficial in cleaning out creeks and filling ponds.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 22, 2019 7:46:09 GMT -5
More reported does not necessarily mean there is more dead this year than any other year. We all know how fast stories spread on social media and Joe has set up an excellent reportIng method.
What I do know EHD is very spotty. It can knock 50% of the local herd in one area and a mile down the road - nothing. Thus it makes “an emergency county order to cut bonus tags” null and void, even if it could be done.
We can hope and pray that it doesn’t hit our area and the only thing we can do if it does is back off your harvest goals. Of course the less deer running around before season starts makes it tougher to kill more. So it is somewhat self regulating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:47:46 GMT -5
All of southern Indiana got good soaking rains of 1" or more last night. Definitely beneficial in cleaning out creeks and filling ponds. Tuesday 1.75 or so plus last night/morning another 1". Looking good. See more coming today. Creeks are flowing.
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Post by jbird on Aug 22, 2019 9:57:45 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the above. We need to keep our heads and use data and adjust as needed. I don't see any reason to panic and I had no intentions of creating a stir when I made my post on the matter. I was simply relaying information I had seen from another source that I trust and wanted to make others aware. I am glad the DNR has responded in a far greater way than I recall when we had the last big outbreaks in 2011 & 2012. I am all for the late season hunts....IF THEY ARE NEEDED. I also agree that the deer will rebound IF given the chance. Many of us that are active with habitat management understand that (the use of data and adjusting our harvest for the better of the herd)....however in many cases those like us are a minority. Today "the extreme" sells and gets the attention.....
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 22, 2019 10:17:36 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the above. We need to keep our heads and use data and adjust as needed. I don't see any reason to panic and I had no intentions of creating a stir when I made my post on the matter. I was simply relaying information I had seen from another source that I trust and wanted to make others aware. I am glad the DNR has responded in a far greater way than I recall when we had the last big outbreaks in 2011 & 2012. I am all for the late season hunts....IF THEY ARE NEEDED. I also agree that the deer will rebound IF given the chance. Many of us that are active with habitat management understand that (the use of data and adjusting our harvest for the better of the herd)....however in many cases those like us are a minority. Today "the extreme" sells and gets the attention..... Yup! One thing many forget (not you just in general) is when what many refer to the "last outbreak" in 2012 time frame we didn't have a committed Deer Biologist, nor did we have a state vet either. Nancy and Joe are two of the most genuine folks I've met in a government agency in awhile and we are seeing their active role through the awesome communication this go around of EHD, as well as their continued plans to educate and communicate on other issues like bobcats, CWD and/or all other things impacting wildlife and ultimately hunters.
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Post by jjas on Aug 22, 2019 11:12:56 GMT -5
Tynimiller
I haven't dealt with Nancy, but I will say that Joe has been very quick to respond and helpful when I've contacted him in the past.
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Post by jbird on Aug 22, 2019 11:21:17 GMT -5
I will agree in that the recent activity of the DNR has been refreshing. I was pretty rough on the "old guard" in our DNR. I see a lot of positive changes over the past few years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:40:24 GMT -5
Deer and Deer (www.deeranddeerhunting.com) has and article out on the 20th. Reads about Indiana getting slammed.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Aug 23, 2019 22:07:34 GMT -5
Deer and Deer (www.deeranddeerhunting.com) has and article out on the 20th. Reads about Indiana getting slammed. Fake news!
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Post by greghopper on Aug 24, 2019 6:31:12 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the above. We need to keep our heads and use data and adjust as needed. I don't see any reason to panic and I had no intentions of creating a stir when I made my post on the matter. I was simply relaying information I had seen from another source that I trust and wanted to make others aware. I am glad the DNR has responded in a far greater way than I recall when we had the last big outbreaks in 2011 & 2012. I am all for the late season hunts....IF THEY ARE NEEDED. I also agree that the deer will rebound IF given the chance. Many of us that are active with habitat management understand that (the use of data and adjusting our harvest for the better of the herd)....however in many cases those like us are a minority. Today "the extreme" sells and gets the attention..... Yup! One thing many forget (not you just in general) is when what many refer to the "last outbreak" in 2012 time frame we didn't have a committed Deer Biologist, nor did we have a state vet either. Nancy and Joe are two of the most genuine folks I've met in a government agency in awhile and we are seeing their active role through the awesome communication this go around of EHD, as well as their continued plans to educate and communicate on other issues like bobcats, CWD and/or all other things impacting wildlife and ultimately hunters. In 2012 Chad Stewart was still working as state Deer Biologist.....He started in MI Dec.2014!
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 26, 2019 6:23:16 GMT -5
Yup! One thing many forget (not you just in general) is when what many refer to the "last outbreak" in 2012 time frame we didn't have a committed Deer Biologist, nor did we have a state vet either. Nancy and Joe are two of the most genuine folks I've met in a government agency in awhile and we are seeing their active role through the awesome communication this go around of EHD, as well as their continued plans to educate and communicate on other issues like bobcats, CWD and/or all other things impacting wildlife and ultimately hunters. In 2012 Chad Stewart was still working as state Deer Biologist.....He started in MI Dec.2014! 100% admittance of being wrong there. Had my dates incorrect. You're correct.
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 26, 2019 21:05:32 GMT -5
So a local guy from Switz Co. posted a video and pics of a nice buck on his property on Team Indiana FB site Buck is skin and bones and very lathargic. Contacted DNR and a biologist came down yesterday put deer down and took samples. So we wait. Personally looked like deer had more issues than just EHD. But guys on Team Indiana site already diagnosing as CWD from pics..... Really. I'm very confident that IF biologist thought any chance of it being CWD that we would have a SWAT team of DNR officials in area getting more samples currently. Guy said biologist told him most likely EHD but had to wait for test results.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Aug 27, 2019 6:21:35 GMT -5
EHD. The guy who posted it stated was confirmed by DNR.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 27, 2019 6:58:34 GMT -5
Never seen EHD look like that ......Deer is skin and bones and still alive!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 7:06:41 GMT -5
Back in 2012 I had a doe survive EHD. She lived in my back yard most of the time and only moved to the neighbors for a year. That winter and spring she looked dead. Never seen a deer so skinny and bone. She would just bed on the hill side for days. Same spot for weeks. That spring no fawn and it took her the whole summer to look better. 2014 she had one fawn and looked about normal. Next two years she had two fawns each year. She stayed around the 5-10 acres her whole life. I'm hoping some of the deer around my area has antibacterial in their blood.
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