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Post by 36fan on Aug 23, 2019 11:32:17 GMT -5
Must be some kind of miracle.. HPRs for deer in Indiana, no increase in accidental shootings, and the deer herd hasn't collapsed! Generally, I would like to see things simplified and do away with the different restrictions for public vs. private land. I do not believe that there is a valid safety argument. My only reservation is that the restrictions may slightly decrease the number of hunters on public land, especially those travelling from out of state to hunt. Probably not enough to notice though. I don't know about the heard ... have you checked out the allowed bonus antlerless county quotas on page 30 of the new hunting and trapping guide? The allowed numbers are WAY down.
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Post by esshup on Aug 23, 2019 12:17:32 GMT -5
Must be some kind of miracle.. HPRs for deer in Indiana, no increase in accidental shootings, and the deer herd hasn't collapsed! Generally, I would like to see things simplified and do away with the different restrictions for public vs. private land. I do not believe that there is a valid safety argument. My only reservation is that the restrictions may slightly decrease the number of hunters on public land, especially those travelling from out of state to hunt. Probably not enough to notice though. I don't know about the heard ... have you checked out the allowed bonus antlerless county quotas on page 30 of the new hunting and trapping guide? The allowed numbers are WAY down. Look at the deer harvest numbers per and post rifle implementation for the gun season (first allowed for the 2017 deer season). 2017 67,238 2016 77,500 2015 72,555 2014 67,989 Another data point against the supposedly wholesale slaughter of deer if the regulations go into effect. I don't think the restrictions will decrease the number of out of state hunters any more than before the restrictions went into effect.
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Post by 36fan on Sept 17, 2019 11:13:57 GMT -5
I don't know about the heard ... have you checked out the allowed bonus antlerless county quotas on page 30 of the new hunting and trapping guide? The allowed numbers are WAY down. Look at the deer harvest numbers per and post rifle implementation for the gun season (first allowed for the 2017 deer season). 2017 67,238 2016 77,500 2015 72,555 2014 67,989 Another data point against the supposedly wholesale slaughter of deer if the regulations go into effect. I don't think the restrictions will decrease the number of out of state hunters any more than before the restrictions went into effect. 2016 was a good year. And don't forget, these are only the numbers of deer checked in.
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Post by deadeer on Sept 17, 2019 12:17:01 GMT -5
The 2017 low numbers likely caused by the crappy weather on opening weekend of firearm season. I remember sitting in the rain and wind and never seen a deer at a nature preserve hunt. First time I remember not hunting the evening hunts on the opener. Also remember seeing a bruiser Saturday in the monsoon making a scrape on the ride home. Grrr. Lol
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Post by beagler85 on Sept 19, 2019 9:32:04 GMT -5
I think they are going to be around to stay. No increase in incidents. Many hunters depending on terrain still use a mix of slug and lower powered rifles. My set up allows me to use the .308 safely and effectively. It's been beneficial especially in late firearms.
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 9:35:59 GMT -5
I think they are going to be around to stay. No increase in incidents. Many hunters depending on terrain still use a mix of slug and lower powered rifles. My set up allows me to use the .308 safely and effectively. It's been beneficial especially in late firearms. I would be surprised if HPRs are removed from the list of legal firearms. As you stated above, there have been no incidents involving these rifles while deer hunting and as such that argument now falls flat. What I do think will happen (and I've said this before) is that they will remain legal only on private ground and hunters will be limited to having 10 rounds in their possession.
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Post by medic22 on Sept 19, 2019 9:43:30 GMT -5
Ill fight permanent legalization of HPRs till I'm blue in the face unless they make them legal across the board for private and public. I'm not a fan of the rule as is, reminds me of the pre 14th Amendment when only landowners could vote.
That said, itll be made permanent for private land. Public is yet to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 9:54:54 GMT -5
Indiana needs to follow Ohio on this one. No distinction from private and public.
Simple rules.
Gun Season and Youth Gun Season Shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition).
Muzzleloading rifle: .38 caliber or larger.
Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel.
Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger. The barrel is measured from the front of the cylinder or chamber to the end of the barrel.
Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: All straight-walled cartridge calibers from a minimum of .357 to a maximum of .50. Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.
Muzzleloader Season Muzzleloading Rifle: .38 caliber or larger.
Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 19, 2019 10:08:23 GMT -5
Indiana needs to follow Ohio on this one. No distinction from private and public. Simple rules. Gun Season and Youth Gun Season Shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller shotgun using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition). Muzzleloading rifle: .38 caliber or larger. Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel. Handgun: With 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger. The barrel is measured from the front of the cylinder or chamber to the end of the barrel. Straight-walled cartridge rifles in the following calibers: All straight-walled cartridge calibers from a minimum of .357 to a maximum of .50. Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles can be loaded with no more than three shells in the chamber and magazine combined. Muzzleloader Season Muzzleloading Rifle: .38 caliber or larger. Muzzleloading shotgun: 10 gauge or smaller using one ball per barrel. They have allowed bottleneck cartridges in handguns for years. That will not change.
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 10:20:39 GMT -5
Hornzilla
Hence the reason that people in Indiana complained for years about not being able to use rifles in the same chamberings...
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 19, 2019 12:54:44 GMT -5
IN needs to look to KY on how to do deer regulations
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 14:17:03 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Indiana needs to do Indiana.
Sure, we need to figure out the whole HPR thing (as far as where you can use them and are they going to be permanent), but other than that, I don't have a lot of issues with Indiana's regs.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 19, 2019 14:39:59 GMT -5
Hornzilla Hence the reason that people in Indiana complained for years about not being able to use rifles in the same chamberings... I agree with you 100 percent. But you also know the number of us that use hand cannons are a drop in the bucket compared to the rifle hunters.
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Post by jjas on Sept 19, 2019 14:47:58 GMT -5
Hornzilla Hence the reason that people in Indiana complained for years about not being able to use rifles in the same chamberings... I agree with you 100 percent. But you also know the number of us that use hand cannons are a drop in the bucket compared to the rifle hunters. I do know it's a drop in the bucket, but allowing hunters to use a .243 pistol but not a .243 rifle never made a lick of sense to me.
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Post by esshup on Sept 19, 2019 15:00:46 GMT -5
I agree with you 100 percent. But you also know the number of us that use hand cannons are a drop in the bucket compared to the rifle hunters. I do know it's a drop in the bucket, but allowing hunters to use a .243 pistol but not a .243 rifle never made a lick of sense to me. Same as different counties within the state being in a different time zone.
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