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Post by greghopper on Feb 18, 2019 8:29:16 GMT -5
Differently hasn't been any follow the leader or a train race! Sorry I disagree 15 lead changes between 9 drivers in 500 miles How many laps did the 95 lead or the 24 when they had the the six car break away Here is who lead what.... passing for the lead is a small part of total passing in the race. Not sure what constitutes a good race for you.....there sure looked like a lot folks still at the race when the checkered flag was waived.
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Post by esshup on Feb 18, 2019 11:06:56 GMT -5
Was a fan of open-wheel racing and didn't believe that real race cars had doors and fenders until the '60's. Then Nascar became interesting and the great horsepower races by the manufacturers. Finally started to tire of it and ever since Dale Sr. died I've been gradually weaning myself away. Not sure if it's the general loss of appetite for motor sports in my advancing years, or more specifically Nascar's version. Dirt track racing seems to have changed very little by comparison, but when I went to a couple of them down at Paragon a few years ago, the excitement that was there when I was a kid growing up about five miles from the track just didn't re-kindle. Watched the race yesterday, most of the first two segments live, then the rest when we got home from dinner with the kids. That's become our norm for Nascar, set it to record then catch it when nothing else is competing for our attention, and we can fast forward through the commercials and the red flags and rain delays. I think if we didn't have that ability, we'd have already moved on to other entertainment. We are finding golf to be more of a spectator sport than it was while we were still playing it (or I should say "playing at it"). Haven't fished much the last several years. May go through the fly fishing gear and start practicing casting again for this spring. I bet there's still some big bluegills out there somewhere that will rise to a black rubber spider if I can lay it softly near the bank without catching a tree. Not quite ready for shuffleboard at the retirement center yet. Russ, just once go to the Summernationals in Indy and stand about 50' down track of the starting line. Bring ear plugs. It's a lot different when you are there in person than watching on TV. Tickets are less than 1/2 of the Nascar ticket price, AND you get to walk thru the pits, unlike Nascar.
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Post by esshup on Feb 18, 2019 11:10:55 GMT -5
Sorry I disagree 15 lead changes between 9 drivers in 500 miles How many laps did the 95 lead or the 24 when they had the the six car break away Here is who lead what.... passing for the lead is a small part of total passing in the race. Not sure what constitutes a good race for you.....there sure looked like a lot folks still at the race when the checkered flag was waived. Only 9 different race leaders. No fair counting the same person more than once. Lets see if the same % of race fans show up to watch the Brickyard. Daytona, having the race in Feb when the rest of the country is cold, attracts the fans for more than just the race. I know of 4 guys who go every year but that's the only race they go to, and they live 40 miles from one of the other tracks that they race at.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 18, 2019 12:09:51 GMT -5
Lets all pray that this race can somehow be better than the CLASH where 17 vehicles of the 20 were involved in one crash and the race ending on a RED flag because of rain. Then there was the truck race where 9 trucks finished the race out of a field of 35. Speaking of Xfinity that race was a follow the leader and don't you dare bump draft to much or you will get Black flagged race. BORING! I saw a commercial yesterday during the Xfinity race promoting tickets for today's race. Nascar has lost me as a true fan, I will watch this race and Talladega then fast forward to the championship race which will signal the opening of deer season. Dirt track racing is going to gain leaps and bounds on NASCAR this year and I intend to visit a few tracks this year and partake in the excitement. If you get down our way or if we make it to Kokomo look us up. Glad to have you.
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Post by Russ Koon on Feb 18, 2019 13:21:48 GMT -5
Esshup, I also had a strong fascination for drag racing that lasted many years. Used to make it a habit to go to the Nats and then top off the evening with a trip to the big car show at the fairgrounds. Went a couple times with my brothers-in-law. Took Dad to the Nats one year. He got a special kick out of one of the AA gasser '34 Willys that had a chassis setup that appeared to raise the car about three inches at launch while it remained level, and of course shot out of the hole.
I could never dedicate enough of income to buy or build something really competitive, but did race a couple times at IRP in K/stock with my '63 Valiant convertible. Took my class the first time out, a month before the Nats, and came back for the next meet two weeks later hoping to get another trophy. Watched the national K Stock speed record holder unloading his Pontiac off the trailer, and a few minutes later the national E.T. record holder in my class unloading his Chevy. I was about half done with my pre-race preparations at the time, and just put my stuff back to street trim and took a seat in the stands. I knew my limitations and those big dogs were getting there more than two seconds under my best time 8^).
I think the most impressive time we ever had in regards to feeling the power of the serious drag cars, though, was at the old Terre Haute track. It was a fifth-mile track with mostly local cars, but you could stand much closer to the track, and pretty much hang your weight on the chain link fence. We were there one time when the Moody-Jones '37 Chevy AA Gasser record holder from Bloomfield made a few runs there. The vibes coming from that blown small-block shook us up very impressively, and probably contributed to some partial hearing losses.
I definitely agree that drag racing just doesn't really make the transition from actual attendance to TV. Not sure any auto racing does, but drag racing least of all.
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Post by esshup on Feb 18, 2019 14:48:40 GMT -5
Russ, I agree with you. Going to the races back then compared to now is a whole new ball game. 10,000 to 11,000 hp from a 500 cu. in. engine is just nuts. A few years when they were racing at Pomona the USGS said they were picking up the cars on the earthquake sensors nearby.
Other than dabble in it for fun, and building cars with a buddy as a side job, I never was really heavily involved with drag racing, as in a primary source of income.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 18, 2019 15:19:30 GMT -5
Here is who lead what.... passing for the lead is a small part of total passing in the race. Not sure what constitutes a good race for you.....there sure looked like a lot folks still at the race when the checkered flag was waived. Only 9 different race leaders. No fair counting the same person more than once. Lets see if the same % of race fans show up to watch the Brickyard. Daytona, having the race in Feb when the rest of the country is cold, attracts the fans for more than just the race. I know of 4 guys who go every year but that's the only race they go to, and they live 40 miles from one of the other tracks that they race at. So how many lead changes constitutes a Good race ? Do tell
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Post by featherduster on Feb 18, 2019 16:11:27 GMT -5
You only need one lead change and if that one comes on or very near the finish you had one great race. Kyle Larson had the 2019 Chili Bowl in the bag as he had the lead from lap 1 to turn 3 on the last lap when Christoper Bell took over the lead on the exact moment that Larson slipped up giving Bell the win. us.motorsport.com/midget/news/bell-wins-chili-bowl-larson/4326474/It's not about how many lead changes there are, it's how the winner stalked, planned, and executed his/her pass that gives them the win that makes a race exciting.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 18, 2019 16:24:55 GMT -5
You only need one lead change and if that one comes on or very near the finish you had one great race. Kyle Larson had the 2019 Chili Bowl in the bag as he had the lead from lap 1 to turn 3 on the last lap when Christoper Bell took over the lead on the exact moment that Larson slipped up giving Bell the win. us.motorsport.com/midget/news/bell-wins-chili-bowl-larson/4326474/It's not about how many lead changes there are, it's how the winner stalked, planned, and executed his/her pass that gives them the win that makes a race exciting. I lost one like that several years back. Won my heat and lead 24 and 3/4 laps of the feature. Those are hard to take.
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Post by esshup on Feb 18, 2019 17:19:44 GMT -5
Only 9 different race leaders. No fair counting the same person more than once. Lets see if the same % of race fans show up to watch the Brickyard. Daytona, having the race in Feb when the rest of the country is cold, attracts the fans for more than just the race. I know of 4 guys who go every year but that's the only race they go to, and they live 40 miles from one of the other tracks that they race at. So how many lead changes constitutes a Good race ? Do tell Not saying it was a good or bad race. Just saying that there were only 9 different race leaders, that's all, not 16.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 18, 2019 20:54:59 GMT -5
Who said there was 16 different leaders? I must of missed that comment....
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Post by esshup on Feb 19, 2019 0:18:20 GMT -5
Who said there was 16 different leaders? I must of missed that comment.... I counted 16 names under the "lap leader" picture that you posted. That's where the 16 came from.
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Post by treetop on Feb 19, 2019 4:49:51 GMT -5
Sorry I disagree 15 lead changes between 9 drivers in 500 miles How many laps did the 95 lead or the 24 when they had the the six car break away Here is who lead what.... passing for the lead is a small part of total passing in the race. Not sure what constitutes a good race for you.....there sure looked like a lot folks still at the race when the checkered flag was waived. Not sure myself but having maybe 5 or 10 cars left to race for the win is not.
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Post by treetop on Feb 19, 2019 4:54:37 GMT -5
Here is who lead what.... passing for the lead is a small part of total passing in the race. Not sure what constitutes a good race for you.....there sure looked like a lot folks still at the race when the checkered flag was waived. Only 9 different race leaders. No fair counting the same person more than once. Lets see if the same % of race fans show up to watch the Brickyard. Daytona, having the race in Feb when the rest of the country is cold, attracts the fans for more than just the race. I know of 4 guys who go every year but that's the only race they go to, and they live 40 miles from one of the other tracks that they race at. + 1 Indy sells out or dang close every year look at any other race they run lucky to sell 1/2 the seats
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Post by treetop on Feb 19, 2019 5:01:37 GMT -5
You only need one lead change and if that one comes on or very near the finish you had one great race. Kyle Larson had the 2019 Chili Bowl in the bag as he had the lead from lap 1 to turn 3 on the last lap when Christoper Bell took over the lead on the exact moment that Larson slipped up giving Bell the win. us.motorsport.com/midget/news/bell-wins-chili-bowl-larson/4326474/It's not about how many lead changes there are, it's how the winner stalked, planned, and executed his/her pass that gives them the win that makes a race exciting. I’d agree and it seems at least to me that’s what’s missing in today’s NASCAR
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Post by greghopper on Feb 19, 2019 8:20:34 GMT -5
Who said there was 16 different leaders? I must of missed that comment.... I counted 16 names under the "lap leader" picture that you posted. That's where the 16 came from. Ok i thought most here could read that and understand the pic...no one was try to TRICK anyone.The lead changed 16 times with 9 different drivers according to stats. BTW..... here are the results of a online poll that this person does every week after the Race if anyone has any doubts about what TRUE race fans are thinking! 25k is a good sample size I say!
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 19, 2019 9:52:58 GMT -5
How do you know everyone that took the poll is a TRUE race fan?
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Post by esshup on Feb 19, 2019 11:30:35 GMT -5
Only 9 different race leaders. No fair counting the same person more than once. Lets see if the same % of race fans show up to watch the Brickyard. Daytona, having the race in Feb when the rest of the country is cold, attracts the fans for more than just the race. I know of 4 guys who go every year but that's the only race they go to, and they live 40 miles from one of the other tracks that they race at. + 1 Indy sells out or dang close every year look at any other race they run lucky to sell 1/2 the seats IRP has a seating capacity of 235,000 seats. 2017, an estimated 35,000 people showed up to watch the Brickyard 400. That's a far cry from close to selling out. Last year the race was delayed until Monday so that could account for the empty stands. BUT, NASCAR in their infinite wisdom had the race on the same day that the Colts opened at home last year.
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Post by treetop on Feb 19, 2019 12:35:10 GMT -5
+ 1 Indy sells out or dang close every year look at any other race they run lucky to sell 1/2 the seats IRP has a seating capacity of 235,000 seats. 2017, an estimated 35,000 people showed up to watch the Brickyard 400. That's a far cry from close to selling out. Last year the race was delayed until Monday so that could account for the empty stands. BUT, NASCAR in their infinite wisdom had the race on the same day that the Colts opened at home last year. Not the brickyard the Indy 500.
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