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Post by jjas on Dec 1, 2018 12:23:14 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I believe these shotguns, arm braces and tannerite were legalized during the Obama administration.
Who would of thought that would happen?
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Post by esshup on Dec 1, 2018 12:56:08 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I believe these shotguns, arm braces and tannerite were legalized during the Obama administration. Who would of thought that would happen? I don't think that is is so much them being "legalized", rather them not being illegal. I haven't looked at the shotgun thing, but arm braces are legal because they are not a shoulderable stock. If shouldered, then they are illegal. Tannerite was developed in 1996, well before Obama was in office and was never considered illegal.
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Post by greyhair on Dec 1, 2018 13:00:17 GMT -5
My gang has a lot of fun with Tannerite, but I am surprised that it has not been outlawed. Just look on YouTube and see the ignorant things people do
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 1, 2018 13:03:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I’ve been waiting for that myself
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Post by jjas on Dec 1, 2018 13:42:46 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I believe these shotguns, arm braces and tannerite were legalized during the Obama administration. Who would of thought that would happen? I don't think that is is so much them being "legalized", rather them not being illegal. I haven't looked at the shotgun thing, but arm braces are legal because they are not a shoulderable stock. If shouldered, then they are illegal. Tannerite was developed in 1996, well before Obama was in office and was never considered illegal. I stand corrected about tannerite, but I'm shocked nothing was done by the Obama administration to block the continued sale of it. The shotguns slid by due to overall length (even though the barrel is shorter than 16"), and the arm braces CAN be shouldered legally. www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/Here's a blurb about the shotguns legality... Following BATF regulations; if, at the factory during the manufacturing process, a brand-new receiver is fitted with a pistol grip first instead of a shoulder stock, it's considered a Pistol Grip Only (PGO) firearm. Due to the manufacturing process used to build the gun, it doesn't fall under the purview of NFA regulations. Instead, the definitions that apply are found in the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). Under these regulations, the Shockwave is legally considered a “firearm,” not a sawed-off-firearm. According to the GCA, if the overall length of that firearm, with the pistol grip and barrel installed, is greater than 26", then the barrel can legally be shorter than 18". In the case of the 14" barrel Mossberg 590 Shockwave, the Raptor bird's head grip gives the gun an overall length of 26.32". That makes it a firearm.
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Post by jjas on Dec 1, 2018 13:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Dec 1, 2018 17:00:23 GMT -5
I watched guys blow up a refrigerator with 8 pounds.
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Post by esshup on Dec 1, 2018 20:10:32 GMT -5
I don't think that is is so much them being "legalized", rather them not being illegal. I haven't looked at the shotgun thing, but arm braces are legal because they are not a shoulderable stock. If shouldered, then they are illegal. Tannerite was developed in 1996, well before Obama was in office and was never considered illegal. I stand corrected about tannerite, but I'm shocked nothing was done by the Obama administration to block the continued sale of it. The shotguns slid by due to overall length (even though the barrel is shorter than 16"), and the arm braces CAN be shouldered legally. www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/Here's a blurb about the shotguns legality... Following BATF regulations; if, at the factory during the manufacturing process, a brand-new receiver is fitted with a pistol grip first instead of a shoulder stock, it's considered a Pistol Grip Only (PGO) firearm. Due to the manufacturing process used to build the gun, it doesn't fall under the purview of NFA regulations. Instead, the definitions that apply are found in the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). Under these regulations, the Shockwave is legally considered a “firearm,” not a sawed-off-firearm. According to the GCA, if the overall length of that firearm, with the pistol grip and barrel installed, is greater than 26", then the barrel can legally be shorter than 18". In the case of the 14" barrel Mossberg 590 Shockwave, the Raptor bird's head grip gives the gun an overall length of 26.32". That makes it a firearm. Thanks! It seems you have to be a lawyer these days. How the heck can that "fitted with a pistol grip first" be proven unless there is a video camera on the assembly line that has good enough resolution to be able to read the serial number on the receivers. As for the tannerite, neither of the individual components are illegal to purchase. So, 1 of 2 things has to happen. 1) either of the components has to be made illegal to posses or 2) selling both in a combination package has to be made illegal. Then there would be a get around it somehow. OR something else would surface. Heck, to make a big boom and flame all you need to do is set a milk jug filled with gasoline next to a burning candle and shoot the milk jug with a firearm. IIRC 1 gallon of gasoline has the same explosive energy as a stick of dynamite.
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Post by bartiks on Dec 1, 2018 20:45:18 GMT -5
I agree with esshup, the devil is in the details. I have had lots of fun with tannerite, started out just liking the loud noise they made then I found out the destructive potential for it. All being legal of course, I've used it several times to get rid of beaver dams on my property. I am 100% a law abiding citizen, however it doesn't take one to stray to far to use something such as tannerite and put it to a devious use.
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Post by span870 on Dec 2, 2018 5:12:03 GMT -5
I would imagine the ban will be tied up in court for years. The other things that I'm shocked haven't been gone after are the new short shotguns (that some consider a sawed off shotgun) and the AR pistols that can be shouldered using an arm brace (that some consider a short barreled rifle). Throw in tannerite and it's the trifecta of products I figured would be gone after by the left the day they were legalized. That tannerite thing always amused me. So we want to ban a semi auto rifle that holds 10 rounds but sure, go on ahead with your bomb making that'll blow up a house. My guess until someone does it, somehow it is flying under the radar.
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Post by duff on Dec 2, 2018 8:41:30 GMT -5
I have been amazed that tanerite is available over the counter in unlimited supplies. I am all for it if you choose to buy it.
I am not sure what Obama got passed in regards of gun control but he made the gun and ammo industry a ton of money. Now trump is actually proposing some type of controls? Where is the panic guys? Where is the outrage?
I also did not read all of this so maybe I am day late and dollar short.
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Post by 36fan on Dec 3, 2018 12:14:08 GMT -5
Ok - I see what you are talking about. I had something like the Keltec KSG in mind. Barrel length is 18.5 inches, overall length 26.1 inches, and 13 rounds (dual 6 round magazine + 1 in the chamber). www.keltecweapons.com/shotguns/ksg
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Post by medic22 on Dec 3, 2018 12:26:52 GMT -5
So how much money is this going to cost the american tax payer to reimburse owners?
Oh wait.....
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Post by greyhair on Dec 3, 2018 12:29:50 GMT -5
You are right 36fan, where is the outrage? Obama didn't try to go after guns. I guess he forgot. Hillary would have though, you can bet on that.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Dec 3, 2018 13:35:22 GMT -5
You are right 36fan, where is the outrage? Obama didn't try to go after guns. I guess he forgot. Hillary would have though, you can bet on that. I completely agree... he may not have been the smartest but he knew how to pick his battles...
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Post by duff on Dec 3, 2018 14:58:51 GMT -5
You are right 36fan, where is the outrage? Obama didn't try to go after guns. I guess he forgot. Hillary would have though, you can bet on that. Funny how this works. One guy forgot. One lady would have if she was elected but the guy currently elected is making a stab at some new gun laws and the 2 that didn't or couldn't are still the devils. The guy getting it done is still on our side?
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