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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 28, 2018 11:02:18 GMT -5
Preferred Thunderheads over all others when shooting compounds, expected to go to mech's with crossbow, but when I tried my TH's they flew perfectly with my field points, so I'm sticking with them for now.
They have always been very forgiving of tuning issues and extremely durable and reliable.
Talked to my B-I-L about his broadhead selection last week, as last year was his first x-bow year. He had preferred Slick Tricks with the compounds, and also stayed with his choice with the crossbow and they flew perfectly for him with no adjustments after sighting in with FP's.
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Post by HighCotton on Oct 29, 2018 7:05:11 GMT -5
Is your bow tuned well? But i had the same problem long time ago with rages. Ive used grim reapers now for probably 10 years. Never had a problem or a reason to switch. Honestly, I tuned it before last season when I purchased it new with help from the bow shop. I have shot probably 100 arrows through it with no adjustments. I’ll look into tuning it further (and getting some help) but I’m a novice altogether with compound bows. Thanks for the advice! I think you hit the nail on the head (or broadhead for that matter)! Seriously though, as you mentioned getting some help...I totally agree. If you find a good archery shop and/or another hunting buddy proficient with the bow, do some shooting and get another set of eyes and ears on the situation before making any drastic changes. Through the years, I've been amazed at how a second opinion can help in finding solutions to a problem.
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Post by Boilermaker on Oct 29, 2018 8:21:58 GMT -5
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
I bought some NAP Spitfires yesterday and found me a spot out of the wind. The first shot was right on the money compared with my field points.
I'm wondering if I had the plastic collars placed incorrectly on the rages and the blades were opening up early?
I'm still going to work on tuning my bow...every little bit of confidence I can add will only help.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 29, 2018 8:55:22 GMT -5
I ordered some Black Eagle Executioners from Tapp Nation and was still having issues getting my Muzzy's to group up even with them. I found about 4 out of a dozen with the other arrows I have been using that flew well with them. (Those are what I killed that doe with). Anyways Jerry from Tapp suggested I try some QAD Exodus heads with those Black Eagle's and I went out on Sunday and tested them out. I got 4 out of 6 of them flying very well with those heads and the other 2 are hitting fine vertically but about 2" right of the other 4. Big improvement; of course with field points all hit dead on together.
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Post by greypoupon on Oct 29, 2018 9:13:03 GMT -5
When you were shooting the rage and comparing to the field tips, were you comparing to regular field tips or to the rage practice tip that comes with some packages?
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 29, 2018 10:02:13 GMT -5
Just occurred to me...are you shooting carbon shafts or aluminum?
I was surprised to find I'd bent two of my three aluminum shafts that came with my crossbow while shooting into a dirt bank that I had shot into for years without bending any 2219's while shooting 70# compounds. Slight bends tend to shoot well with field points and escape notice, but the flight with BH's will usually reflect the problem much more noticeably.
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Post by butlerj on Oct 29, 2018 11:01:22 GMT -5
Glad you went with Nap spitfires. I recommended them to my Uncle for his crossbow from previous reviews on this site (Woody). Last Thursday my Uncle took his first archery doe with his first shot at a deer with his crossbow. He was amazed with the wound channel and that the deer only went 25yds from the shot.
One happy fellow!
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Post by omegahunter on Oct 29, 2018 12:15:04 GMT -5
I bareshaft paper tune, walk back tune, and french tune my bows. Also have a draw board to make sure cams are timed. Always remember unlike the sight where you follow your arrow sighting in, the rest is opposite. If you have a properly tuned bow you should be able to slap on any broadhead fixed or mechanical and fly the same. As long as the broadhead has been tuned to the arrow. To match field point impact the best, you should tune every broadhead to the arrow that it is on. Scroll down to the Arrow Tuning section for broadhead tuning. www.bowhuntingmag.com/editorial/the-holy-grail-when-broadheads-fly-like-fieldpoints/309306I use Slick Trick broadheads and they come with a washer between the head and arrow. Tighten down the head and spin it. If it wobbles AT ALL, loosen the head a little, turn the washer about an eight of a turn and tighten back down. Keep that up until there is NO wobble. Then as long as your bow is tuned properly, the broadheads will hit the same as the fieldpoints.
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Post by Boilermaker on Oct 29, 2018 15:02:09 GMT -5
When you were shooting the rage and comparing to the field tips, were you comparing to regular field tips or to the rage practice tip that comes with some packages? I compared the rages to my standard 100 grn field points; my rage extremes didn't come with a practice head (which i found to be strange since most others do). Also, I'm shooting carbon arrows. That was one thing i checked as well to ensure they were straight / true. One question for the NAP Spitfire fans...have you ever adjusted the set screws on the heads for opening tension? I am just curious as they seem to be pretty stiff @ opening; but i don't want any premature opening if i were to loosen. Have you experienced issues with them not opening on contact?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 15:05:48 GMT -5
When you were shooting the rage and comparing to the field tips, were you comparing to regular field tips or to the rage practice tip that comes with some packages? I compared the rages to my standard 100 grn field points; my rage extremes didn't come with a practice head (which i found to be strange since most others do). Also, I'm shooting carbon arrows. That was one thing i checked as well to ensure they were straight / true. One question for the NAP Spitfire fans...have you ever adjusted the set screws on the heads for opening tension? I am just curious as they seem to be pretty stiff @ opening; but i don't want any premature opening if i were to loosen. Have you experienced issues with them not opening on contact? Me personally, I`ve never done anything but screw the Spitfire onto the bolt, make sure it`s tight, and kill deer.
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Post by medic22 on Oct 29, 2018 18:09:49 GMT -5
I know you said you would, but please please please tune your bow anyway. A couple years ago when I knew less, my fixed blades were way off from my field points. I unknowingly switched to expandable that were dead on with my field points. Last year when I finally shot a deer I couldn't figure out why the entrance was perfect but the exit was in front of the back leg on a broadside deer.
I had a go pro on my camera and was able to zoom in and slow down. That's when I figured out my bow was so poorly tuned that despite my POI, my arrow was tailing and caused an extreme ricochet. If it wasn't for hitting a major artery by pure luck, It would have been a slow death or a lost deer.
My bow is now tuned perfectly amd my field points, expandables, and fixed broadheads all have the same POI out to 60 yards.
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 29, 2018 20:11:24 GMT -5
Nap spitfire
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Post by elmo on Oct 29, 2018 21:00:22 GMT -5
I'm with medic on this. I found that my fixed were hitting low so I bought rages and shot a deer and she ran off. I had my bow tuned and now my arrows pass through no matter what broad head I use.
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Post by Boilermaker on Oct 30, 2018 7:05:01 GMT -5
I bareshaft paper tune, walk back tune, and french tune my bows. Also have a draw board to make sure cams are timed. Always remember unlike the sight where you follow your arrow sighting in, the rest is opposite. If you have a properly tuned bow you should be able to slap on any broadhead fixed or mechanical and fly the same. As long as the broadhead has been tuned to the arrow. To match field point impact the best, you should tune every broadhead to the arrow that it is on. Scroll down to the Arrow Tuning section for broadhead tuning. www.bowhuntingmag.com/editorial/the-holy-grail-when-broadheads-fly-like-fieldpoints/309306I use Slick Trick broadheads and they come with a washer between the head and arrow. Tighten down the head and spin it. If it wobbles AT ALL, loosen the head a little, turn the washer about an eight of a turn and tighten back down. Keep that up until there is NO wobble. Then as long as your bow is tuned properly, the broadheads will hit the same as the fieldpoints. So I started reading this article last night as well, and when looking down from the top of my bow my arrow was not parallel with the stabilizer and wasn't in line with the limb bolts. After adjusting my rest, I feel I'll be starting the arrow off a lot straighter than previously and assume this had a lot to do with why some broadheads didn't fly correctly. My next adventure will be paper tuning. Thanks again for all the help.
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Post by omegahunter on Oct 30, 2018 9:57:42 GMT -5
25 years ago I used to have two sights for my bow; one I would use for field points and the other was sighted for broadheads. That was back when the archery shops used to tell you to match up your blades to your vanes/feathers. Screwing on a broadhead and then heating the insert area and turning the broadhead and insert so that the blades were in line with the fletchings.
I had given up archery hunting for about 12 years or so to help a friend in a gun shop and October was when the busy season began. Then about 8 years ago I got the bug to try archery again. Boy had technology changed!! I learned about spin-tuning the broadheads to the arrows and then I only needed one sight from there on.
Good luck!!
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Post by huhwhatdeer on Nov 1, 2018 21:51:46 GMT -5
I've got the same problem. But my fix was my bolts not broadheads. I was shooting to light of an arrow. Problem fixed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 10:32:26 GMT -5
I was really blessed that when I hunted with a compound bow, I had a really great, knowledgeable guy that ran a bow shop. He had my bow set up and tuned perfectly.
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