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Post by jdebose on Oct 23, 2018 19:45:04 GMT -5
Looking to get a new bolt action rifle and have it sighted in by firearm season. I’m looking to stay in the $400 range. After looking at several manufacturers I’ve decided to go with a Mossberg Patriot with a 3x9x40 Vortex scope.
Two questions.
1. Does anyone have any experience with the Patriot? 2. Should I go with the 6.5 Creedmoor or 30-06? I’ll be using factory loads and most shots will be within 150 yards.
Thanks
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Post by drfleck on Oct 23, 2018 20:02:38 GMT -5
I have the Mossberg atr, which I believe is the same essentially as the patriot. While I have owned this rifle for over a year I have not shot it as I need to buy a scope. However, I will say that the adjustable trigger on mine is quite nice. Very light and crisp. One other observation; the finish is easily prone to developing surface rust. Keep her oiled up and check after handling and you should be good. Sorry I have no input on how this rifle shoots. Edit: looks like the patriot is an improvement on the atr.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 24, 2018 6:16:25 GMT -5
06 would be my choice if the rifle is intended for just big game animals. If coyotes were also part of the plan then I would go with the Creedmore.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 24, 2018 6:18:55 GMT -5
I have no experience with the Patriot, but I also have an ATR. I got one of the first ones as a gift about 12 years ago, and it's been my primary rifle since. They're not fancy by any means. The only issue I've had with mine was the molded in plastic sling mounts in the stock broke pretty quickly. I ended up putting a Boyd's stock on it and dropping in a Timney trigger. I can usually get around 1-1.5" groups with most factory ammo.
My BIL has an MVP. His plastic sling mounts broke quickly also. Accuracy is about the same as my ATR.
It looks like Mossberg may have gotten rid of this style sling mounts on the Patriot, so this may not be an issue. I think if I were to buy one, I'd spring for the Patriot Revere, that's actually a very nice looking rifle. But I also understand the want for a cheap "beater" rifle if you're worried about scratching things up.
As far as 6.5 vs .30/06, either will do the job unless you start getting into really big game (bigger than elk). I prefer .30/06 as a go to do anything rifle, but recoil is much more mild on the Creedmoor.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 24, 2018 7:16:10 GMT -5
Never touched one. If you have aspirations of going after something bigger than deer get the 30-06. If you only want a deer rifle or you are planning on picking up more rifles the 6.5's s are great deer rounds
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Post by jdebose on Oct 24, 2018 20:44:53 GMT -5
Thanks for info gentleman. I picked the 6.5 CM due to the lighter recoil. I’m pumped to pick her up in a week or so. This is my first time buying a firearm online. Shipping to Right to Bear Arms In Haubstadt, IN. The transfer fee is $20 cash or $25 charge. I didn’t think that was bad at all.
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Post by omegahunter on Oct 25, 2018 6:46:41 GMT -5
Good choice.
A Creedmoor will be my next purchase. 6.5mm already has pretty good sectional density, but if you want to hunt larger game than whitetail or mule deer, just pick a heavy-for-caliber bullet and figure out how it shoots.
In the meantime, enjoy your new deer-getter!!!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 25, 2018 8:19:57 GMT -5
Lots of elk-sized game has been taken the last few years out west with the 6.5 Creedmoor, with the proper bullet I wouldn't feel at all handicapped with it.
What model did you end up getting? The synthetic stock with the Crossfire scope?
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 25, 2018 9:25:36 GMT -5
Why not consider 25-06. Good round for varmints, deer and larger game. Shoots flat and has a good range.
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Post by jdebose on Oct 25, 2018 18:30:47 GMT -5
I’m sure that’s a fine round, along with many others. If I like the 6.5CM in the bolt gun I might looking into a AR 6.5 for next season.
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Post by jdebose on Oct 25, 2018 19:17:03 GMT -5
Lots of elk-sized game has been taken the last few years out west with the 6.5 Creedmoor, with the proper bullet I wouldn't feel at all handicapped with it. What model did you end up getting? The synthetic stock with the Crossfire scope? Synthetic with the 3x9x40 Vortex. Mode 28001. Smokey Mountian Guns has it on sale for $329 free shipping. They didn’t charge sales tax either. Is that common for online gun sales?
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Post by js2397 on Oct 25, 2018 20:31:35 GMT -5
Free shipping and no sales tax are pretty common. Also check Bud's Guns, Kentucky Gun Company, and Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 26, 2018 4:49:02 GMT -5
Free shipping and no sales tax are pretty common. Also check Bud's Guns, Kentucky Gun Company, and Sportsman's Outdoor Warehouse. Another one is through Rural King - www.rkguns.com/
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Post by jdebose on Oct 31, 2018 22:50:47 GMT -5
Picked up my new rifle tonight. Headed to the range this weekend. After some research online Im going with either the Hornady Percision Hunter 143gr or Winchester Deer season XP, 125 gr to start with. Soo many great bullets but so little time and money to try them all before the season. I want to find the right combination of accuracy and knockdown power obviously.
Anyone have a favorite round they suggest besides the ones I listed above?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Nov 1, 2018 6:55:32 GMT -5
Either ought to be fine. Let us know how it shoots!
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Post by jdebose on Nov 6, 2018 20:37:53 GMT -5
We had a great time at Sugar Ridge rifle range this past weekend! HPR is soo much different than the old 12ga I’ve used for the last 20 years. It always did it’s job but was it was never fun shoot. Slugs are expensive and they beat your shoulder up.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is not only more accurate than I am, but it’s a pleasure to shoot. I had her sighted in after the first box but my son and I shot 4 more boxes of 20 just for fun. Started at 25yds and worked up to 200yds. I’ve never shot that far in my life. I feel very confident holding dead on for any deer within 200yds now.
I had such a good time that I’m now considering joining Red Brush gun club to work on my shooting skills. I think a Ruger Precision Rifle might be in my future soon. I’d like to top with a high end scope and start learning how to shoot 300, 400 and 500+ yards for sport. I realize you can’t just buy good equipment and expect world class results. It will take a lot of time and practice.
Now that I’ve gone HPR, I’m not going back!
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Post by esshup on Nov 6, 2018 21:20:13 GMT -5
jdebose:
Welcome to the world of rifle shooting! You are in for a long road, depending on how deep you want to dive in. The 6.5 Creed will start dropping like a rock once you get past about 800 yds.
If you don't reload, look at the boxes of ammo for a lot number. Different lot numbers most likely will shoot differently.
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Post by esshup on Nov 6, 2018 21:25:58 GMT -5
Accuracy is obtained by having each round as identical to the previous one as possible, and making sure that you hold the rifle exactly the same way every shot (pressure against shoulder, pressure on the wrist of the stock, etc.) and only moving the 1st joint of the index finger to get the trigger to move. If the rifle is in a rest, you squeezing the trigger dry firing the rifle and having the trigger "break" shouldn't change where the crosshairs are setting.
Go talk to the guys at the range, look thru a bunch of different scopes before you drop the $$ on one. Higher end for one person might not be the same higher end that it is for another.
Once you get much past 200 yds watching what the wind does is important.
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Post by jdebose on Nov 6, 2018 21:46:16 GMT -5
What’s your thoughts on the Ruger Precision Rifle? I’d like to stay around $2,500 for the rifle and scope combination. I’ve found rifle for around $1,300- $ 1,500 alone.
I was under the impression the 6.5- 284 or 6.5- 47 where quite popular for shooters up to 1,200 yds.
I don’t think I have I’ll ever have the skills for that distance anyway.
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Post by esshup on Nov 7, 2018 9:07:54 GMT -5
I've only shot one out to 200 yds and it was pretty accurate. I'd pick the 6.5-287 over the Creed. I'd handload high bc bullets and make sure that the chamber was throated long enough for them to be seated with the base of the bullet at the neck/shoulder junction. www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/6.5-284+Norma.html
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