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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2018 17:52:18 GMT -5
These bleeding heart animal rights folks have no idea what goes on in the real world. Since the reintroduction of the bobcat and the raccoon population explosion, turkey numbers have dropped rapidly. Smarter folks than me aren't sure if this is the cause but you would have a hard time convincing me other wise. Bobcats we're not reintroduced in Indiana.
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Post by throbak on May 11, 2018 18:41:30 GMT -5
Here lately lot of stuff has been passed that was not received well by the hunting community Why would what non hunting animal rights looks sway a decision
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Post by ms660 on May 11, 2018 20:33:43 GMT -5
Bobcats are second to deer as the most photographed critter that I get running 15 game cameras in my area. I freaked out the first cat picture I got about 10 or 12 years ago. Printed copies and gave the DNR Sugar Ridge Office copies. Now days I just delete them them. I have caught and released several in my fox and coyote sets trapping in the last several trapping seasons. They have really increased down in the southern part of the state in the last 10 years.
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Post by bill9068 on May 11, 2018 20:42:11 GMT -5
I get pictures weekly now of bobcats. Saw 3 different ones last season during daylight under 20 yards. Dont plan on hunting if they pass a season, but if I see my young deer population go down then ?.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 11, 2018 20:46:28 GMT -5
To me it's not whether they "need" to be hunted. Lots of species that we hunt don't "need" it. But if the resource can handle some harvest without adverse effects, then there's no legitimate reason why there shouldn't be a season.
Conservation, including the bobcat recovery, was and is funded by hunters. If the state's biologists and wildlife managers feel that the population has rebounded adequately enough to support managed harvest, then it shouldn't make a flip of difference how the crazy cat-ladies from New Jersey feel about it.
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Post by tomthreetoes on May 13, 2018 7:58:03 GMT -5
These bleeding heart animal rights folks have no idea what goes on in the real world. Since the reintroduction of the bobcat and the raccoon population explosion, turkey numbers have dropped rapidly. Smarter folks than me aren't sure if this is the cause but you would have a hard time convincing me other wise. Bobcats we're not reintroduced in Indiana. I'm curious about your source for this info. I'm not doubting you just curious. A DNR employee I talked to seemed to think other wise.
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Post by firstwd on May 13, 2018 11:25:52 GMT -5
Deer, turkey, and otter were the reintroduced animals, bobcats we're always here. They were placed on the endangered list a long time ago and time and lack of human intervention allowed their numbers to grow naturally.
I get my information from the same DNR, but possibly different sources within it. After 16 years working with them a lot of my information sources have moved on or passed on.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 14, 2018 8:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 14, 2018 9:10:59 GMT -5
Nooo.. What Sandra suggested was - " With respect to these administrative rule proposals, the hearing officer recommends additional enlightened discussion and thorough consideration by the commission,” The NRC can do that right there in the meeting...
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Post by firstwd on May 14, 2018 10:06:29 GMT -5
Isn't the media's ability to share accurate information just fabulous?
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 14, 2018 11:12:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I read that headline and knew something was wrong. Our local radio station twisted it up a bit....
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Post by jman46151 on May 15, 2018 13:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 15, 2018 13:59:20 GMT -5
DNR has really taken a beating these past few years, with deer farming, all of the rifle drama and now this.
Makes a fella wonder why we bother employing experts at DNR if we don't allow them to do their jobs..
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Post by greghopper on May 15, 2018 14:40:10 GMT -5
DNR has really taken a beating these past few years, with deer farming, all of the rifle drama and now this. Makes a fella wonder why we bother employing experts at DNR if we don't allow them to do their jobs.. Actually the system is set up to work the way it did today.IMO If they didn't want public input then by all means don't ask for it.... the wildlife is property of ALL the people of the state not just sportsman and women. I also Get your point to some degree.
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Post by jman46151 on May 16, 2018 8:01:09 GMT -5
DNR has really taken a beating these past few years, with deer farming, all of the rifle drama and now this. Makes a fella wonder why we bother employing experts at DNR if we don't allow them to do their jobs.. We can try again next year. They need to be more specific in their management plan before they try to get a season. List the dates, counties, and quotas. Have population estimates and have an idea for the density they want to have after the season is over to help show people that the population is still healthy. It would also help with establishing the next years quota.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 16, 2018 11:20:32 GMT -5
DNR has really taken a beating these past few years, with deer farming, all of the rifle drama and now this. Makes a fella wonder why we bother employing experts at DNR if we don't allow them to do their jobs.. We can try again next year. They need to be more specific in their management plan before they try to get a season. List the dates, counties, and quotas. Have population estimates and have an idea for the density they want to have after the season is over to help show people that the population is still healthy. It would also help with establishing the next years quota. Administrative Rules Processes run on two year cycles so I don't think we will see a proposed bobcat season again for 5 years plus... The DNR director said it would NOT be in the next Administrative Rules Process.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:42:20 GMT -5
this whole deal wants me to throw up not so much that they did,nt pass the season as the way they bowed down to all the peta lovers they had a picture in the courier and press with them didnt look lik many sporsman in there got to wonder if peta pays them to get all the seats and whats with only 9 of the 12 people on the commision showing up do we have to pay these people indiana sucks when it comes to fish and wildlife
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Post by jman46151 on May 16, 2018 14:45:38 GMT -5
We can try again next year. They need to be more specific in their management plan before they try to get a season. List the dates, counties, and quotas. Have population estimates and have an idea for the density they want to have after the season is over to help show people that the population is still healthy. It would also help with establishing the next years quota. Administrative Rules Processes run on two year cycles so I don't think we will see a proposed bobcat season again for 5 years plus... The DNR director said it would NOT be in the next Administrative Rules Process. That stinks...but good to know. Was there any mention in why it wouldn't be included?
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