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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2018 9:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 10:07:04 GMT -5
Indy is going down the drain and joining the other major cities.
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Post by tomthreetoes on May 10, 2018 10:12:36 GMT -5
These bleeding heart animal rights folks have no idea what goes on in the real world. Since the reintroduction of the bobcat and the raccoon population explosion, turkey numbers have dropped rapidly. Smarter folks than me aren't sure if this is the cause but you would have a hard time convincing me other wise.
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Post by hatchetjack on May 10, 2018 10:47:48 GMT -5
Should be a lively (and crowded) meeting.
Jack
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Post by jman46151 on May 10, 2018 12:36:06 GMT -5
Should be a lively (and crowded) meeting. Jack Is it Tuesday, the 15th? |
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Post by jman46151 on May 10, 2018 12:39:56 GMT -5
"A baby raccoon hugs its mother on a deck"....  |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2018 13:25:55 GMT -5
Should be a lively (and crowded) meeting. Jack So what are you hearing on the grapevine Jack? What do you think passes, if anything? |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2018 13:30:09 GMT -5
What do you all think?
What are the pros and cons of the must kill by nuisance wildlife trappers?
What are the pros and cons about a very limited Bobcat season? |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 10, 2018 13:39:47 GMT -5
"A baby raccoon hugs its mother on a deck".... Are you implying that the article may be biased?  |
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Post by greghopper on May 10, 2018 13:40:17 GMT -5
The Bobcat season should be Trapping only .... No Hunting season needed at this point, let the Trapper try the control first then go from there.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 10, 2018 13:47:27 GMT -5
It's pathetic that only 2000 comments were submitted, with the majority opposing. Hunters need to do a better job of providing input to the DNR, not only when we're ticked off about something, but also when they're doing something that the majority would support.
Still though, wildlife management should not be majority rule. Let the biologists do their jobs and allow them to manage in accordance with the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation. It's how we got to this point where we have an abundance of wildlife, and the only way we'll be able to sustain it.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2018 15:10:52 GMT -5
I was told by the hearing officer once that they do not count for and against (votes) a proposal unless it is totally lopsided.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2018 15:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by duff on May 10, 2018 16:29:23 GMT -5
I think all nusiance wildlife that is trapped should be euthanized. Trading one location for another is transering problems. Most of these animals are not endangered or threatened
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Post by span870 on May 10, 2018 20:54:14 GMT -5
FWIW, my opinion. Don't see a need for a bobcat season. Again, imo. Bobcats are the new coyotes. People need something to blame for lack of game. As far as predation, no one will convince me that they are having even a blimp of an issue with deer numbers. My buddies, cousins, friends neighbor has a picture of 200 fawn skulls outside a den site. Even if it was true, that cat kill them or find them dead. Last survey I read on mortality of fawns was around 80% for first year does. ( No I'm not going to search for the study, it's out there) They either can't or won't care for them or simply abandon them. As far as ground nesting birds, I'd agree with the assessment that a cat may catch a turkey here or there. Nest robbers will kill a complete clutch every time they come upon it. You want more turkey, kill every coon, skunk, possum, and crow you see. I watched a hen in a field run off a crow for a good 30 minutes the other day then watched her go to her nest on the edge of the field. Guys will hunt every yote they see but let every nest robbers go. Crows and the worse. Seen them raid many a rabbit nest in my running pen. Irun dogs on several fields that have resident coyote population and seen cat tracks on both. Even have one where the male will sit on the hill and watch the dogs run. Don't have any issues with finding rabbits.
Far as killing nuisance trapped animals. Isn't the law it can only be transported alive within the county? Guessing not a whole lot of places to release them in Marion county.
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2018 7:38:14 GMT -5
"Many of the public comments indicated that people were apprehensive about a bobcat season because
the DFW did not provide the counties where the season would be open. Based on current information,
the recommendation for the first season would likely be a quota of 250-300 bobcats and 30 counties in
the southern third of Indiana, starting in the year 2019."
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Post by hatchetjack on May 11, 2018 7:52:45 GMT -5
Should be a lively (and crowded) meeting. Jack Is it Tuesday, the 15th? Yes it is. |
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Post by hatchetjack on May 11, 2018 8:03:56 GMT -5
Should be a lively (and crowded) meeting. Jack So what are you hearing on the grapevine Jack? What do you think passes, if anything? I read many of the comments for the 2 proposals that are being opposed ( bobcat season and euthanizing caught nuisance animals). My opinion is further study may be needed to procure a bobcat season. I don't spend as much time in the woods as I used to but I still have never seen a live bobcat so I'm not 100% convinced that a season is needed. I also agree with the hearing officer's comments about DNR's responses being thin. The agency needs to provide the info needed to support their position before I would allow them to make these changes. 50-50 on the nuisance animal issue. I can see how the permit holders are left holding the bag and how catch and release may simply be moving the problem around. I'd have to leave the decision up to permit holders right now. Just hope most of them aren't releasing coyotes near me. Jack P.S. The animal rights activists are well organized and financed. Amazing how many comments were out of state and out of country. |
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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2018 17:47:28 GMT -5
So what are you hearing on the grapevine Jack? What do you think passes, if anything? I read many of the comments for the 2 proposals that are being opposed ( bobcat season and euthanizing caught nuisance animals). My opinion is further study may be needed to procure a bobcat season. I don't spend as much time in the woods as I used to but I still have never seen a live bobcat so I'm not 100% convinced that a season is needed. I also agree with the hearing officer's comments about DNR's responses being thin. The agency needs to provide the info needed to support their position before I would allow them to make these changes. 50-50 on the nuisance animal issue. I can see how the permit holders are left holding the bag and how catch and release may simply be moving the problem around. I'd have to leave the decision up to permit holders right now. Just hope most of them aren't releasing coyotes near me. Jack P.S. The animal rights activists are well organized and financed. Amazing how many comments were out of state and out of country. Personally, every comment that wasn't from Indiana should be discarded. |
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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2018 17:51:42 GMT -5
If the ADC guys know what they are doing and following the law, there shouldn't be any issues with releasing them. The problem I see is most take short cuts.
Bobcats are like otters to me. I know there are some locally because I've seen them. I don't know if either "needs" a season, but why wait until their populations become a serious problem before addressing it. As for not as many complaints about bobcats as otters, the otters kind of have a captive prey pool when they move into a pond. It makes sense that the issues would be more noticible and the complaints more numerous.
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