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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 20, 2018 7:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by js2397 on Jan 20, 2018 8:39:52 GMT -5
In many other states that use this property that isn't marked then becomes accessible to the public. It is an additional burden on the landowner and the county prosecutors should enforce the current laws.
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Post by medic22 on Jan 20, 2018 8:47:17 GMT -5
This failed last year. I like the idea because it last longer and is cheaper. What I dont like is this representative seems to also believe the common misconception that signs need to be posted throughout the property to be legal and not just at a main entrance.
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Post by featherduster on Jan 20, 2018 9:21:06 GMT -5
Waste of time without strong enforcement and even stronger enforced penalties.
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Post by swilk on Jan 20, 2018 12:12:41 GMT -5
Not needed unless they intend to do away with the warning before citation thing....
If they intend to go with a ticket on the first offense sort of system then maybe the paint is cheaper and easier than a sign.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 20, 2018 12:45:02 GMT -5
"An additional level of protection" sounds great, but as has been stated, nothing is useful if the prosecutors won't press charges or make up their own rules to press charges.
Now if we can go back to shooting them..... ;-)
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Post by esshup on Jan 20, 2018 16:58:45 GMT -5
"An additional level of protection" sounds great, but as has been stated, nothing is useful if the prosecutors won't press charges or make up their own rules to press charges. Now if we can go back to shooting them..... ;-) Works for me!!!
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Post by alduflux on Jan 20, 2018 18:48:53 GMT -5
I have a better idea.
Why not just make trespassing a offense regardless of posted signs or not? I don't need "no stealing permitted" signs to prosecute for theft.
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Post by span870 on Jan 20, 2018 21:54:07 GMT -5
Better idea. Why don't people just stop trespassing? I don't get it. How do people get it in their head that they can just hunt in someone's land without asking? Always blew my mind. What goes through someone's mind to feel that they have the right to just walk on someone's property and start hunting. I'd be too afraid I'd get caught and I'm not a good enough liar to pull off the old such and such owns this and gave me permission.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 20, 2018 22:10:30 GMT -5
I hear it all the time. The best and most used line is "the county owns this land".
Never have, always been private, gonna stay that way, move along....
I love the teenagers that tell me I can't remove them or they'll just beat my *** instead. Go ahead and jump Kermit.
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Post by esshup on Jan 20, 2018 23:10:39 GMT -5
I hear it all the time. The best and most used line is "the county owns this land". Never have, always been private, gonna stay that way, move along.... I love the teenagers that tell me I can't remove them or they'll just beat my *** instead. Go ahead and jump Kermit. Try not paying the property taxes and see who owns the land. But, I agree with you 110%. As for the purple paint vs. signs, the paint is a whole lot cheaper and the dang signs, unless you spend big bucks only last for a year, maybe two at the most. Squirrels, wind, etc. take them down. Paint doesn't put screws/nails in trees either. When you have a bigger piece of property, it takes a LOT of signs and a lot of time to keep them maintained. Paint is a lot faster and cheaper.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 20, 2018 23:42:31 GMT -5
I hear it all the time. The best and most used line is "the county owns this land". Never have, always been private, gonna stay that way, move along.... I love the teenagers that tell me I can't remove them or they'll just beat my *** instead. Go ahead and jump Kermit. Try not paying the property taxes and see who owns the land. But, I agree with you 110%. As for the purple paint vs. signs, the paint is a whole lot cheaper and the dang signs, unless you spend big bucks only last for a year, maybe two at the most. Squirrels, wind, etc. take them down. Paint doesn't put screws/nails in trees either. When you have a bigger piece of property, it takes a LOT of signs and a lot of time to keep them maintained. Paint is a lot faster and cheaper. So right now 1 sign posted at the main entrance is enough for trespassing and hunting without permission is illegal. This law will just add more of a burden to property owners.
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Post by esshup on Jan 21, 2018 0:22:54 GMT -5
Try not paying the property taxes and see who owns the land. But, I agree with you 110%. As for the purple paint vs. signs, the paint is a whole lot cheaper and the dang signs, unless you spend big bucks only last for a year, maybe two at the most. Squirrels, wind, etc. take them down. Paint doesn't put screws/nails in trees either. When you have a bigger piece of property, it takes a LOT of signs and a lot of time to keep them maintained. Paint is a lot faster and cheaper. So right now 1 sign posted at the main entrance is enough for trespassing and hunting without permission is illegal. This law will just add more of a burden to property owners. I don't think so. If I read it correctly, you don't have to use the purple paint, and the sign that you have will still be sufficient. But, this adds the purple paint to the regs to use if the person wanted to use the paint. I agree that the part about having an officer ask the offending party to leave is BS. There is a way around that if there is a 2nd time, but THAT is a pita too.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 21, 2018 9:44:50 GMT -5
I read it the same way, but I have to believe there are county prosecutors and local law enforcement that will not go after trespassers without the border marked this way. I'm certain the professional trespassers will use the lack of border paint as their excuse. Just make trespassing illegal and then have a heavy enough fine to stop trespassers.
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Post by esshup on Jan 21, 2018 10:09:02 GMT -5
I read it the same way, but I have to believe there are county prosecutors and local law enforcement that will not go after trespassers without the border marked this way. I'm certain the professional trespassers will use the lack of border paint as their excuse. Just make trespassing illegal and then have a heavy enough fine to stop trespassers. Until the trespass law is amended/changed to allow prosecution on the first offense and remove the "no prosecution if they leave when asked by the police" we will always have this problem to this extent. I was told by the sheriff that the only way to give yourself a chance in prosecuting the chronic trespasser is to have the sheriff catch them in the act. Once they do that, the sheriff has their name/address (to check for wants/warrants). You get that information from the sheriff, take out a restraining order on them, and if they come on your property again, then they can be prosecuted even if they leave when asked. Under the current law, I was told that was the only thing that can be done. If that isn't done, then they can come on to the property every time that they want to and not get charged if they leave when the police ask them to leave.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 21, 2018 10:16:10 GMT -5
Trespassing is illegal. The I.C. code states the one sign at the main entrance is all that is required to make the property "posted". The problem is the county prosecutors that don't take the offense serious enough for it to warrant their attention. They are the ones who have decided that an LEO must catch the offender and give them a "Trespass Warning" and that an LEO must catch them again before any charges are filed. Then the fine is tiny and charges are minimal.
I saw an episode of Lonestar Law last week and apparently in Texas the first trespassing offense comes with $1000 fine. That sounds like a good start.
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Post by esshup on Jan 21, 2018 14:46:26 GMT -5
Trespassing is illegal. The I.C. code states the one sign at the main entrance is all that is required to make the property "posted". The problem is the county prosecutors that don't take the offense serious enough for it to warrant their attention. They are the ones who have decided that an LEO must catch the offender and give them a "Trespass Warning" and that an LEO must catch them again before any charges are filed. Then the fine is tiny and charges are minimal. I saw an episode of Lonestar Law last week and apparently in Texas the first trespassing offense comes with $1000 fine. That sounds like a good start. Correct, things are different in Texas. Trespass fines are kust like the trash dumping offense here in Indiana. The county prosecutor told the county health inspector that the fine for dumping trash won't cover the prosecution costs. To me, it sounds like the fines need to be raised. I found out by having a neighbor move in and dump a bunch of trash in the back of their property. When the woods floods, it goes everywhere. County won't do anything about it, and the state won't either - it needs to be more than 1/4 acre of trash for them to get involved.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2018 15:32:57 GMT -5
Trespassing and illegal hunting should have mandatory minimum fines.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 21, 2018 16:11:41 GMT -5
Trespassing and illegal hunting should have mandatory minimum fines. Which is my point, this adds something else for the landowner to worry about while doing nothing to those that trespass.
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Post by featherduster on Jan 21, 2018 16:37:27 GMT -5
If this law passes I am going up and down my roads for a mile in each direction spray painting every tree.
It will look like PURPLE RAIN.
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