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Post by GS1 on May 9, 2017 22:17:22 GMT -5
Good.... because that wasn't a political decision also! That was backed by citizens of the state and still is to this very Day. Lol....sure it was... It was Woody. It was backed by half of them. Lol
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Post by jackryan on May 10, 2017 0:10:56 GMT -5
Good.... because that wasn't a political decision also! That was backed by citizens of the state and still is to this very Day. Do you know what the word "politics" means? It wasn't a DNR decision for the good of the resource. It was a political decision made by the politicians, who were hounded their constituents at the urging of Joe Bacon, IDHA, and QDMA to TELL the IDNR what they wanted done. That's called politics.
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Post by greghopper on May 10, 2017 3:37:02 GMT -5
lol..... if you truely believe that there no need for me to explain! Your basically lost on how the system worked but keep grasping you may hit on something sooner or later....SMH
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 6:17:30 GMT -5
Good.... because that wasn't a political decision also! That was backed by citizens of the state and still is to this very Day. Do you know what the word "politics" means? It wasn't a DNR decision for the good of the resource. It was a political decision made by the politicians who hounded their representatives at the urging of Joe Bacon, IDHA, and QDMA to TELL the IDNR what they wanted done. That's called politics. Not sure how to read this - "the politicians who hounded their representatives"? True Joe Bacon , the IDHA and IBA was involved in the process bugging Jim Mitchell to do it but no politicians were involved. Jim basically allowed this as it was a "social issue". More to get folks off his back than anything else. There was no huge outcry for an OBR. It was a dozen people sitting in a room in Indy. Now Greg will tell you that 70% like it and want to keep it, but that survey is very skewed in that 35% of the people surveyed are single season hunters that only killed one buck anyway and love it that two season hunter can now only kill one buck too.
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Post by greghopper on May 10, 2017 7:01:58 GMT -5
Not one person showed up to dissaprove of allowing the OBR when it's final approval was made.... that's pretty much a telling fact in its own!
No really sure it was up to Jim Mitchell to allow it being it had no negative affects on the Deer Herd.... if any thing it was helping the Herd!
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Post by tynimiller on May 10, 2017 7:54:11 GMT -5
Woody I never really knew as I wasn't as active then as now...but were you against OBR in how it came about or just against it in general sense?
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Post by parrothead on May 10, 2017 9:33:40 GMT -5
Heard Ohio is going through this right now. They was to raise license 3 bucks and sportsmen are for it 32 hunting groups are for it but gov. says no. Same with out of state tags they want to raise them and gov is saying no.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 10:17:40 GMT -5
Woody I never really knew as I wasn't as active then as now...but were you against OBR in how it came about or just against it in general sense? PM later....
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 10:19:36 GMT -5
Not one person showed up to dissaprove of allowing the OBR when it's final approval was made.... that's pretty much a telling fact in its own! No really sure it was up to Jim Mitchell to allow it being it had no negative affects on the Deer Herd.... if any thing it was helping the Herd! Were you around then or just hear say? I know how it went down and at that time whatever Jim Mitchell wanted he got.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 10:20:54 GMT -5
Heard Ohio is going through this right now. They was to raise license 3 bucks and sportsmen are for it 32 hunting groups are for it but gov. says no. Same with out of state tags they want to raise them and gov is saying no. Government should stay out it ...
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Post by greghopper on May 10, 2017 10:48:29 GMT -5
Not one person showed up to dissaprove of allowing the OBR when it's final approval was made.... that's pretty much a telling fact in its own! No really sure it was up to Jim Mitchell to allow it being it had no negative affects on the Deer Herd.... if any thing it was helping the Herd! Were you around then or just hear say? I know how it went down and at that time whatever Jim Mitchell wanted he got. Was at the very meeting... not one person spoke in dissaproval! You can check the minutes if you wish... actually I believe that the the last year Jim was in charge of Deer! BTW.... I been around for.awhile before this forum was started to stop the OBR.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 11:08:38 GMT -5
This forum wasn't formed to stop the OBR. It was formed to give hunters and fishermen/women a place to discuss hunting and fishing in a civil atmosphere.. Quite a change from other forums.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 11:11:09 GMT -5
I am a little confused. Indiana DNR is am agency of the State. The Department of Natural Resources was created as part of the Natural Resources Act, passed by the Indiana General Assembly and signed into law by Governor Roger Branigin in 1965.
Same is true for the Ohio Ohio DNR Department of Natural Resources beginning with its creation by the Ohio Legislature in 1949.
Government has always been involved since day one.
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Post by tynimiller on May 10, 2017 11:39:18 GMT -5
I am a little confused. Indiana DNR is am agency of the State. The Department of Natural Resources was created as part of the Natural Resources Act, passed by the Indiana General Assembly and signed into law by Governor Roger Branigin in 1965. Same is true for the Ohio Ohio DNR Department of Natural Resources beginning with its creation by the Ohio Legislature in 1949. Government has always been involved since day one. I'll use a driving analogy....they chose a driver and moved to the back seat....that is where they should stay and let the driver do their job. All my opinion of course. You are 100% correct though, they are and have always been "in the car"
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 11:52:06 GMT -5
I am a little confused. Indiana DNR is am agency of the State. The Department of Natural Resources was created as part of the Natural Resources Act, passed by the Indiana General Assembly and signed into law by Governor Roger Branigin in 1965. Same is true for the Ohio Ohio DNR Department of Natural Resources beginning with its creation by the Ohio Legislature in 1949. Government has always been involved since day one. I'll use a driving analogy....they chose a driver and moved to the back seat....that is where they should stay and let the driver do their job. All my opinion of course. You are 100% correct though, they are and have always been "in the car" Yes, and it all goes in circles. Sometimes one agency gets involved with another and sometimes Governors and or other State officials get involved and some not. I agree to let the experts of an agency do their job/responsibilities and other support their output/recommendations and not get involved. I guess that's good leadership/management.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 12:50:16 GMT -5
Were you around then or just hear say? I know how it went down and at that time whatever Jim Mitchell wanted he got. Was at the very meeting... not one person spoke in dissaproval! You can check the minutes if you wish... actually I believe that the the last year Jim was in charge of Deer! BTW.... I been around for.awhile before this forum was started to stop the OBR. Yeah, that was "the good old days" when only the folks in the general vicinity of Indy was in on the meetings. Mostly a handful from each of the "organized hunting groups" that the DNR had the perception that these groups represented all Indiana hunters..The rest of us were blindsided by the OBR.. The absolute best thing the DNR and NRC has ever done was to open up a line of two way conversation via the internet.
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Post by greghopper on May 10, 2017 14:33:26 GMT -5
If you ask the leadership of the IWDHM that Internet line of commutation don't exist!
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Post by jjas on May 10, 2017 15:57:04 GMT -5
If you ask the leadership of the IWDHM that Internet line of commutation don't exist! I've never had an issue being able to communicate with the IDNR via email....
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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2017 17:38:44 GMT -5
If you ask the leadership of the IWDHM that Internet line of commutation don't exist! I've never had an issue being able to communicate with the IDNR via email.... For me - Not lately
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Post by jackryan on May 10, 2017 23:36:45 GMT -5
Do you know what the word "politics" means? It wasn't a DNR decision for the good of the resource. It was a political decision made by the politicians who hounded their representatives at the urging of Joe Bacon, IDHA, and QDMA to TELL the IDNR what they wanted done. That's called politics. Not sure how to read this - "the politicians who hounded their representatives"? REad it as poor and sloppy writing skills. My secretary quit. It should look better now. If not I'll whack it again next time I read this thread.
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