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Post by parkerbow on Jan 22, 2017 20:07:22 GMT -5
Has anyone had any luck in getting apple trees to grow and produce apples for deer? I often think about planting about 6 different apple trees that drop their apples at different times in the fall to give the deer a different food source. I have heard that apple trees are hard to keep alive and require a lot of attention. Plus they are pretty expensive. Anyone have any input on planting apple trees for deer. Is it worth it or not?
Thanks
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Post by jackryan on Jan 22, 2017 23:55:43 GMT -5
I'd wrap some old fence around them at first to keep the deer from eating and killing the tree. I secure it with a bungee cord, it's free, it's easy to put on and take off. I take it off every year and put it back on just so it doesn't get stuck in the tree.
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Post by parrothead on Jan 23, 2017 6:12:17 GMT -5
I did this years ago. I got them from Stark Bros. They have 1 year free replacement. I got the first ones that drop in Mid Sept and the last ones get ripe in Oct.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2017 9:52:27 GMT -5
I've never had any luck with apple trees. They either get Cedar Rust or IF they grow, other critters, like Squirrels eat the unripe apples before the Deer get to them. I like planting Korean Oaks instead of apple or pear trees, as they are fast growing producing acorns in 20 years. If you buy a 3'-5' Korean Oak, plant it when your 20 years old and when you reach the age of 40 years, and still living or own that property; you'll have plenty of acorns for the Deer and they LOVE them. I had several Korean Oaks where I lived in Evansville on my 15 acres, and I always seen Deer around them eating acorns. When I moved those trees were 35 years old.
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Post by steiny on Jan 23, 2017 10:48:36 GMT -5
Yes, I have a few just starting to produce apples. Should probably plant a few more.
You definitely need to "cage" them. Do a +/- 4' diameter hoop of 5' to 6' tall fence wire held in place by fence posts around the sapling or the deer will quickly destroy the sapling. Around bottom 2' of the cage, wrap screen wire to keep the rabbits and mice out best you can or they will chew the bark off base of sapling in the winter.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 23, 2017 12:14:16 GMT -5
True on that cedar rust thing. Apples wouldn't be my first choice, any more, but that's what he asked about. I'm sure as heck not deliberately planting MORE invasive species from asia deliberately and there is no reason to.
There are plenty of native indiana plants and trees to chose from that will grow just as fast and produce just as well.
Another problem with apples not mentioned is their fruit production is pretty much over by the time deer season is in but it's true, you can kill about every squirrel in the woods off one during squirrel season.
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Post by davers on Jan 23, 2017 13:05:18 GMT -5
What ever happen to "June Apples Trees"?? My Grandparents had one in their backyard. Apples were green in color even when they were ripe around the 4th of July. As for Korean Oaks being invasive, they are not any more invasive than other species of oaks. Some call them "Saw-tooth Oaks" and they do produce a lot of acorns which are eaten by almost any animals from Squirrels, Turkey, and Deer.
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Post by parrothead on Jan 23, 2017 14:26:52 GMT -5
I just ordered 100 persimmon trees for 32ish bucks.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 23, 2017 14:32:29 GMT -5
What ever happen to "June Apples Trees"?? My Grandparents had one in their backyard. Apples were green in color even when they were ripe around the 4th of July. As for Korean Oaks being invasive, they are not any more invasive than other species of oaks. Some call them "Saw-tooth Oaks" and they do produce a lot of acorns which are eaten by almost any animals from Squirrels, Turkey, and Deer. I wouldn't plant saw tooth either. How can something be more or less invasive? It's an invasive species. They say the same thing every time from kudzu to jumping carp and those filthy stinking lady bugs. Just say no and kill it.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 23, 2017 14:34:48 GMT -5
I just ordered 100 persimmon trees for 32ish bucks. I think you made a good move there. Give them plenty of room and sun and those grow pretty fast. Pecans and Hicans are good to. It just takes quite a while to get them bearing.
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Post by parrothead on Jan 23, 2017 14:39:08 GMT -5
I will be happy if 20 make it. I have Pecan trees that have been producing for years. They taste so much better than store bought.
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Post by steiny on Jan 23, 2017 18:50:43 GMT -5
My persimmon trees froze out and died. They're not well suited for the northern part of the state.
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Post by parkerbow on Jan 23, 2017 19:58:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. I always thought apple trees would be a pain to keep alive and grow. I know what you mean about the darn rabbits or deer tearing then up before they even get started. I did plant some of those sawtooth oaks years back and they are producing acorns now but I seen an article from the QDMA on sawtooths and they do not recommend planting them because they say after about 30 years they begin to die off. I think I may just stick to a few clover plots and do more hinge cutting for bedding and browse. Hinge cutting is free except for your time and maybe some chainsaw fuel.
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Post by throbak on Jan 23, 2017 20:12:59 GMT -5
My persimmon trees froze out and died. They're not well suited for the northern part of the state. My brother in Albion has had real good luck ,,Producing after about 6 years ! Pretty heavy too !
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Post by davers on Jan 24, 2017 5:25:29 GMT -5
What ever happen to "June Apples Trees"?? My Grandparents had one in their backyard. Apples were green in color even when they were ripe around the 4th of July. As for Korean Oaks being invasive, they are not any more invasive than other species of oaks. Some call them "Saw-tooth Oaks" and they do produce a lot of acorns which are eaten by almost any animals from Squirrels, Turkey, and Deer. I wouldn't plant saw tooth either. How can something be more or less invasive? It's an invasive species. They say the same thing every time from kudzu to jumping carp and those filthy stinking lady bugs. Just say no and kill it. You introduce a good point, in your post, about "some" foreign plants/trees being invasive, Jack. To be honest, there are many-many plant imported into this country that are invasive. The Asian Lady Beetles are another story too. Still would like to know why one doesn't see June Apple Trees anymore (?)
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Post by duff on Jan 24, 2017 5:42:59 GMT -5
My parents have an old transparent apple tree that ripens in June. Mom still makes homemade applesauce with them. Very hearty tree, been eating applesauce from that tree for 30+ yrs.
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Post by davers on Jan 24, 2017 7:30:21 GMT -5
My parents have an old transparent apple tree that ripens in June. Mom still makes homemade applesauce with them. Very hearty tree, been eating applesauce from that tree for 30+ yrs. Sounds like the apple tree I am referring to.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 24, 2017 13:08:11 GMT -5
Have apple trees. I bought full size variety's. Were approximately 10' tall when I bought and transplanted 6 years ago. All are 15'-20' now and all bear fruit. I caged with t-post and horse fence. I fertilize each fall and spray and weed eat around bases few times a year. I would planted 3 or 4 in each area so that they germinate well.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 24, 2017 14:11:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't plant saw tooth either. How can something be more or less invasive? It's an invasive species. They say the same thing every time from kudzu to jumping carp and those filthy stinking lady bugs. Just say no and kill it. You introduce a good point, in your post, about "some" foreign plants/trees being invasive, Jack. To be honest, there are many-many plant imported into this country that are invasive. The Asian Lady Beetles are another story too. Still would like to know why one doesn't see June Apple Trees anymore (?) OK, I'm paying attention now. I had to do a little research just to feel I had a grip on what it is, a june apple tree. Never heard that terminology before. homeguides.sfgate.com/carolina-red-june-apple-tree-plants-54756.htmlI have asked around from old people and a few orchard owners about different varieties of apple trees. Mainly because like you "I remember..." and apple trees I see and buy today just don't seem the same any more. Short answer, they AREN'T THE SAME ANY MORE. I had a green apple tree at one of my old houses that bore apples it seemed all summer long. It was about half shaded by the house and half shade the rest of the day by the rest of the trees lining the street and then there was the neighbor house 20 feet away from MY HOUSE. Yet that apple tree had great big giant, sweet, bug free awesome green apples it seemed all summer. We never bought apples. We cut and peeled and froze and dried and gave away apples all summer like there was no end to them on top of eating as many as anyone wanted or walked by and wanted. From ONE TREE. NEVER trimmed it, sprayed it, fertilize it, nothing. Just pick 'em and eat em. When I moved the new owner cut that down with in a year. That's where all your old genetic stock apple trees went. I've bought a dozen different kinds of apple trees since all of them added together don't hold a candle to that ONE APPLE tree. Go ask an orchard owner. They know the low down but you can plant seeds from an apple you buy at the grocery and that thing will never grow an apple in our lifetime. They are genetic freaks grafted together, cloned and what ever hokey pokey they do to manipulate produce now. You have to go out specifically looking for the old species trees or find a nursery specializing in it. There are a few. There are a couple trees resistant to cedar rust, I think they produce a green apple if I remember right. Property today can go through 10 owners over 20 -30 years now adays and all it take is one dumb ass kid who don't want to pick up apples, or cherries, or rake a leaf or "read on the internet these chinese asia grass harp trees are really great..." and the genetics created by surviving in this environment for 10,000 years is ashes out by the curb. Now everyone who lives in that house from now until for ever is enslaved to Kroger foods to buy apples at 3 dollars a pound. $5 a pound for cherries.... raspberries, grapes... all were right there waiting to be picked on less than a 1/4 acre lot in the middle of downtown Rushville. Nope, cut that down. centuryfarmorchards.com/descripts/osapage3.html
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Post by duff on Jan 24, 2017 18:21:26 GMT -5
Exactly. I miss pie cherry tree. 1st house I owned had a great tree. Moved and old timer neighbor had a cherry tree. He didn't want anything to do with the fruit so I would pick buckets of them.add black raspberries to the mix and I can say not much better.
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