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Post by dbd870 on Oct 27, 2016 10:15:13 GMT -5
I can absolutely see both sides of the argument for this. From a purely tracking after the shot I love the idea. For $15 I absolutely think it could be worth it. For example I shot and lost an arrow this year and the arrow is around $9 each, broadhead was a cheapy at probably $6 and had a lighted nock at about $10 so I lost a $25 arrow. If it was a $40 for a 3 pack broadhead that could have been a $33 arrow easy. It's kind of an expensive insurance plan if nothing else. Thanks Dusty, the price is my biggest concern. I don't see how I can get the price much lower. I would love to get it under $10. I'm thinking out side the box to see if there is better way. I see the price on a whole system in the links is pretty expensive. If you could do it for $15.00 per arrow and not affect flight - I know I would be all over it and I'm sure I would not be alone. What are you thinking for a receiver -that's where it could get salty? If such a system became that economical I think there would be enough interest to push rule a rule change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:24:54 GMT -5
Right now I am design of a flexible film active RFID tag that will give a distance read of either 300 or 600 feet. The flexible film would slide into the diameter of the arrow and add very little weight. Maybe a few grams. My rough guess a tag then would be around $5 each. Maybe higher at first until mass production etc. The reader would be a one time cost and hoping for one under $100/200. This will be a challenge. GPS is to costly, so now I'm into the old RFID communications. You would still need for traditional blood tracking to within 100 - 200 yards. That's not too bad. Once you lose the trail then large 75/150 yard circles with RFID can cover a lot of area. This is my new directive.
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Post by ms660 on Oct 27, 2016 13:25:37 GMT -5
Years ago I used an arrow tracking devise, it was called a string tracker. Used them when more for bear hunting in Canada. Unless your an old fart you probably never heard of the string tracker. It was a spool of string that looked a lot like dental floss that you tied to your arrow, the spool screwed on where your stabilizer went in the riser of your bow and when you shot a critter the string would pull out until it died, follow your string to the downed critter. I hated using one but it did work pretty good unless the string got caught on something and broke while being pulled out. It was always kind of a hair raising experience when you came upon your broken string while tracking a bear and know that the reason the string stopped being pulled out was that it broke and the bear could still be alive and most of the time it was so thick with brush you couldn't see but a few yards.
This was about the time as the trail timer came out. It was a clock that had a string that you tied across a game trail and when the critter walked through the string it would pull out of the clock and stop the time it happened. You didn't know what stopped the clock just the time it happened. Now we have cameras that send a picture to your phone seconds after taking the picture. I think I still have an old string trail timer somewhere. MY MY how the times have changed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 13:43:15 GMT -5
Years ago I used an arrow tracking devise, it was called a string tracker. Used them when more for bear hunting in Canada. Unless your an old fart you probably never heard of the string tracker. It was a spool of string that looked a lot like dental floss that you tied to your arrow, the spool screwed on where your stabilizer went in the riser of your bow and when you shot a critter the string would pull out until it died, follow your string to the downed critter. I hated using one but it did work pretty good unless the string got caught on something and broke while being pulled out. It was always kind of a hair raising experience when you came upon your broken string while tracking a bear and know that the reason the string stopped being pulled out was that it broke and the bear could still be alive and most of the time it was so thick with brush you couldn't see but a few yards. This was about the time as the trail timer came out. It was a clock that had a string that you tied across a game trail and when the critter walked through the string it would pull out of the clock and stop the time it happened. You didn't know what stopped the clock just the time it happened. Now we have cameras that send a picture to your phone seconds after taking the picture. I think I still have an old string trail timer somewhere. MY MY how the times have changed Most States DNR don't allow strings. I know Indiana is one of them. Don't know about all states.
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Post by ms660 on Oct 27, 2016 13:52:24 GMT -5
It's probably been 35 years ago that these were being used. I like your idea much better.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2016 14:14:29 GMT -5
String tracker..
When that line us whizzing out you have the strange desire to SET THE HOOK!
I Used it on bears in the rain in Ontario..
Works well , but you did need to sight in with it as it dies change POI...
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Post by ms660 on Oct 27, 2016 14:41:05 GMT -5
I never did use sights always shot bare bow, They would change POI.and made a lot of noise when shot from the string being whipped out. I used a couple spools practicing before heading to Canada for bears. First bear I killed I had wad of string in my hand when I found him
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 21:08:19 GMT -5
Good news. I just received an email at 8pm from Indiana DNR (Linnea Petercheff) and my new arrow tracking device is legal. So I am moving forward. Cheers!
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Post by salt on Oct 27, 2016 21:15:52 GMT -5
Congrats and good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 10:18:21 GMT -5
I'm working on the name of the product. I have my logo phrase, but debating on product name. The shorter the better. Here is what I've come up with:
ArrowTracer (I'm leaning to this one) or ArrowTracTracking or ArrowTrekken (work origins) or ArrowTracking or TrackingArrow or TrekkenArrow
Phrase: Tracking the Spirit!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 10:31:17 GMT -5
Note: The device currently fits in to a 6mm diameter arrow with a range of 150 Meters/164yards. Hoping to get over 200 Meters/218yards. The battery will last about 4-6 months, but the field tip and or broadhead screwed into the arrow insert will enable the battery. This way you can store the arrows with the sensor turned off. Batteries will be replaceable. Device uses two (2) SR64 batteries (small watch battery). Weight will be under 25 grain. I'm now working on a field handheld reader. Trying to keep the cost down. This will be a one time purchase. I will be selling the sensors in 1 and 3 pack like broadheads.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Feb 28, 2017 10:41:32 GMT -5
I'm working on the name of the product. I have my logo phrase, but debating on product name. The shorter the better. Here is what I've come up with: ArrowTracer (I'm leaning to this one) or ArrowTracTracking or ArrowTrekken (work origins) or ArrowTracking or TrackingArrow or TrekkenArrow Phrase: Tracking the Spirit! Arrow Tracer sounds the best to me IMO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 11:12:54 GMT -5
I'm working on the name of the product. I have my logo phrase, but debating on product name. The shorter the better. Here is what I've come up with: ArrowTracer (I'm leaning to this one) or ArrowTracTracking or ArrowTrekken (work origins) or ArrowTracking or TrackingArrow or TrekkenArrow Phrase: Tracking the Spirit! Arrow Tracer sounds the best to me IMO Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 28, 2017 11:46:47 GMT -5
I'm working on the name of the product. I have my logo phrase, but debating on product name. The shorter the better. Here is what I've come up with: ArrowTracer (I'm leaning to this one) or ArrowTracTracking or ArrowTrekken (work origins) or ArrowTracking or TrackingArrow or TrekkenArrow Phrase: Tracking the Spirit! Arrow Tracer sounds the best to me IMO
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Post by Russ Koon on Mar 1, 2017 11:36:28 GMT -5
I think another application of the same or very similar technology might be every bit as lucrative.
Many of us have sought a good "bug" that would lead us to our missing treestands, trail cams, blinds, etc.
The only currently available ones I have seen were pretty expensive to use, and often involved monthly charges to a monitoring company.
Sounds like your device, maybe fitted with larger batteries for more range and/or longer sending ability, might be the answer some of would like to imbed in our outdoor gear that tends to walk away while unattended. The signal would need to be somewhat unique to the unit or to the receiver to be recognized as evidence of foul play sufficient to justify a search warrant, I suspect.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Mar 1, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -5
I think it's a good concept for today's society going digital with everything. Can't necessarily say I'd use it but, the $15 isn't a bad price. I paid more for one of these contraptions that was more hassle than it's worth. www.google.com/search?q=string+tracker&rlz=1C1KYPB_enUS614US614&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=662&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJppHpjrbSAhVW32MKHYtxAgsQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1#imgrc=yhAHGkQa3-1X_M:Don't laugh, I bought this in a moment of despair after I shot and lost a deer. I should be outlawed from bow hunting I know (for not making the perfect shot and for making this purchase) ((Sarcasim)). And, despite what some other "perfect" bow hunters think, things happen when you're bow hunting and not all shots are in the ten ring. Not even in the 9 or 8 for that matter. So by whatever means someone needs to use to recover the animal is fine by me. I wish you the best of luck on this endeavor and hope you find great success with it.
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Post by esshup on Mar 15, 2017 12:51:34 GMT -5
Waynes, I agree with your choice of a name and I'd pay the $15 per unit.
I second the statement about a small GPS device (heck, even $25 cost) to put inside a tree stand or trail cam. It'd have to be GPS because of not knowing how far it went once it disappeared.
If it was small and thin enough, I could see buying one for every gun I own and inletting it into the stock under the barrel.
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Post by wesb81219 on Mar 24, 2017 20:22:10 GMT -5
I would use it. I lost 2 crossbow bolts with nap spitfires on them. A $15 item could save me from replacing bolts every couple years. It would eventually pay for itself over a few years of use.
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