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Post by arlowe13 on Aug 9, 2016 9:00:20 GMT -5
Is that a DJI? I've been wanting a Phantom 4. Yes, Phantom 3 4K |
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Post by arlowe13 on Aug 9, 2016 9:02:56 GMT -5
I have a feeling that drone usage is going to end up being a bigger issue than many people think. You have to wonder how long it will take for someone to get p*ssed off @ their neighbor for ignoring the property lines and "scouting" the neighboring properties with a drone? I would imagine that more than one drone will be shot out of the sky this year. And during the hunting season, I won't be surprised to read about anti-hunters (or people who don't want their neighbors killing "their" buck) flying drones over or "near" neighboring properties to deliberately try and chase the deer off. Finally....when does technology present an unfair advantage and violate the rules of fair chase? People run cameras 24/7/365 and only have to go into the woods to replace batteries as the cameras are accessible from their phones and computers. Now we're going to "scout" deer from the air? There are already anti-harassment laws and scaring off deer with a drone would fall within that, especially if it is on private property. There is a new law this year that makes it illegal to use a drone to aid in hunting. As I said, I don't hunt this property where I took this video, it was a friend's farm. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5
As I mentioned my use was last year with my neighbor way before and after season. Over the years we became friends and have similar hunting guidelines we follow:
We all take a doe or two to fill the freezer. One to two depending on family size etc.
We only take a personal best buck. I'm about 1 buck every 5 years and down to 1 doe.
Our family group now is five farms (100 to 600 acres each) and around 20 hunters from 15 - 80+ years old.
I look forward these days for the comradery as much as the hunt. We get together every year for a large cook out on the eve of the 1st Sunday of gun season. I think we have doing this for at least 20+ years.
Back to the topic. I am not sure what the difference is with a camera on a drone and a camera with wifi on a tree. I've found camera's not ours on private property and cameras on correct property looking into other property. All seem to violate the fair chase argument. It will be interesting how each states DNR changes the regulations to technology changes. I could see a large hunting company out west putting up a satellite or buying rights to an existing satellite. I write programs in the IOT world. A IIot of MQTT and NodeRed application. There are very very small devices with wifi that could be applied to a deer and be tracked 24/7/365. The wifi devices only cost a few dollars. These days are coming.
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 9:40:11 GMT -5
I have a feeling that drone usage is going to end up being a bigger issue than many people think. You have to wonder how long it will take for someone to get p*ssed off @ their neighbor for ignoring the property lines and "scouting" the neighboring properties with a drone? I would imagine that more than one drone will be shot out of the sky this year. And during the hunting season, I won't be surprised to read about anti-hunters (or people who don't want their neighbors killing "their" buck) flying drones over or "near" neighboring properties to deliberately try and chase the deer off. Finally....when does technology present an unfair advantage and violate the rules of fair chase? People run cameras 24/7/365 and only have to go into the woods to replace batteries as the cameras are accessible from their phones and computers. Now we're going to "scout" deer from the air? All of which have already happened. And I have a feeling that it's going to get a whole lot worse..... |
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Post by dadfsr on Aug 9, 2016 9:40:52 GMT -5
The only time I could see using one during the hunting season would be to assist in locating/recovering a shot deer that a hunter is having a hard time finding....but even then I could see that getting abused by a not so ethical hunter  |
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 9:45:45 GMT -5
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And there are laws against not wearing seat belts and not texting while driving but people violate those laws everyday as they are (for the most part) unenforceable.
Point being...these things open up another way to harass hunters, property owners and wildlife and while there are laws...good luck getting them enforced or having someone actually prosecuted.
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 9:48:48 GMT -5
The only time I could see using one during the hunting season would be to assist in locating/recovering a shot deer that a hunter is having a hard time finding....but even then I could see that getting abused by a not so ethical hunter I've said for years that scouting cameras (and especially real time cameras) should be banned for use during the hunting season(s). Will that ever happen? No, (and it would be almost unenforceable if it were to happen), but "real time" cameras (whether hung on a tree or flying via a drone) have not only taken much of the "hunt" out of hunting but violate the spirit of fair chase hunting IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 11:03:32 GMT -5
Note: There are states now that allow drones to assist to find and hunt wild hogs!
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Post by arlowe13 on Aug 9, 2016 11:14:30 GMT -5
The only time I could see using one during the hunting season would be to assist in locating/recovering a shot deer that a hunter is having a hard time finding....but even then I could see that getting abused by a not so ethical hunter I've said for years that scouting cameras (and especially real time cameras) should be banned for use during the hunting season(s). Will that ever happen? No, (and it would be almost unenforceable if it were to happen), but "real time" cameras (whether hung on a tree or flying via a drone) have not only taken much of the "hunt" out of hunting but violate the spirit of fair chase hunting IMO. The cost of each of those items is high enough that I think there are not enough of them out in the field to worry about someone shooting a deer you may have taken otherwise using said items. To each their own how they want to hunt. If a person finds enjoyment using technology and they're using it within the law, good for them and I wish them good luck. |
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Post by GS1 on Aug 9, 2016 11:20:14 GMT -5
Is that a DJI? I've been wanting a Phantom 4. Yes, Phantom 3 4K That's what I will probably end up getting. It is closer to my price range. |
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 11:34:30 GMT -5
Arlowe13 The fact of the matter is the cost of "real time" cameras is already dropping (as is the price of drones) so the argument that "the cost of each of those items is high enough that I think there are not enough of them out there in the field to worry about ...." may ring true @ this time, but I would imagine that both of these items will soon claim a much larger share of the "game camera" market. In the end, you're right that this technology is legal (with some exceptions). And while that's true (@ this time), many people (along with organizations like Pope & Young) feel that users are in violation of the rules of fair chase. I would also say that anyone who supports their usage may very well find they will rethink that position when not too many seasons from now, their neighbors are "buzzing" their stands and food plots, forcing the deer to become more nocturnal as they (the deer) grow tired of being "buzzed" all the time by the local drone "enthusiast"..... Finally, here's a link to the FAA concerning zone usage. It never hurts to know what is legal (and what isn't) regardless of what side of this issue you are on... www.faa.gov/uas/faqs/I'm sure the IDNR could also answer questions on this subject.... |
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Post by arlowe13 on Aug 9, 2016 11:52:00 GMT -5
I guess I just don't share the same "doomsday" technology-is-ruining-everything mentality. There will be incidences, no doubt, but I don't think it will become a huge issue.
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 11:56:14 GMT -5
There were be incidences, no doubt, but I don't think it will become a huge issue. Time will tell.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 12:26:20 GMT -5
Arlowe13 The fact of the matter is the cost of "real time" cameras is already dropping (as is the price of drones) so the argument that "the cost of each of those items is high enough that I think there are not enough of them out there in the field to worry about ...." may ring true @ this time, but I would imagine that both of these items will soon claim a much larger share of the "game camera" market. In the end, you're right that this technology is legal (with some exceptions). And while that's true (@ this time), many people (along with organizations like Pope & Young) feel that users are in violation of the rules of fair chase. I would also say that anyone who supports their usage may very well find they will rethink that position when not too many seasons from now, their neighbors are "buzzing" their stands and food plots, forcing the deer to become more nocturnal as they (the deer) grow tired of being "buzzed" all the time by the local drone "enthusiast"..... Finally, here's a link to the FAA concerning zone usage. It never hurts to know what is legal (and what isn't) regardless of what side of this issue you are on... www.faa.gov/uas/faqs/I'm sure the IDNR could also answer questions on this subject.... I moved some years ago from Fort Wayne to the west side of Cincinnati. Work related. The deer around my home are so used to human noise I can drive my car within yards and the only look and stare, maybe move a few feet. The drone noise would be the same as our local tractor/car/everything else noise. After a few times the drone noise without a real threat would be ignored. |
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2016 12:48:38 GMT -5
Sorry, but I have to disagree. I have deer that live near me that do the same thing. But walk to within the bounds of their "comfort zone" @ anytime (but especially after the leaves have fallen) of those deer and watch how quickly they scatter.
So could you fly a drone way above them? I'm sure you could. But drop that drone to the point where they deem it a threat and I don't care how many times you do that, they'll be gone.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 9, 2016 12:53:55 GMT -5
I think a drone could spook a deer up from a bedding area. They seem to ignore me on my ATV or lawnmower until I stop. If I keep moving they seem okay. If a drone got close or hovered closely by they might jump up.
Personally, I don't care if someone drives them with a drone if that's the way they want to hunt. It won't change me from just sitting and waiting until they come to my bait plot. LOL
I would however like to know when their bedding pattern or movement pattern changes, but my cameras also tell me this. My big bucks are no longer coming into my food plot in the same place as the does. The does still do, but not the bucks. I haven't figured out where the bucks are coming in, but I'm guessing it's from the treeline somewhere now.
As long as they come in the food plot it's still good, but I'd just like to know how to play the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 13:11:34 GMT -5
I think a drone could spook a deer up from a bedding area. They seem to ignore me on my ATV or lawnmower until I stop. If I keep moving they seem okay. If a drone got close or hovered closely by they might jump up. Personally, I don't care if someone drives them with a drone if that's the way they want to hunt. It won't change me from just sitting and waiting until they come to my bait plot. LOL I would however like to know when their bedding pattern or movement pattern changes, but my cameras also tell me this. My big bucks are no longer coming into my food plot in the same place as the does. The does still do, but not the bucks. I haven't figured out where the bucks are coming in, but I'm guessing it's from the treeline somewhere now. As long as they come in the food plot it's still good, but I'd just like to know how to play the wind. This is the time when the bucks bachelor groups start breaking up and move to their best areas. 1st ones to break up are the older bucks, so you might start seeing different bucks. Plus, by 1st of September you will start seeing scrapes. If you find one by Sept 1 you have a great major buck scrape. This is the best time to scout for the dominate buck in the area. I'm going this weekend to check. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 9, 2016 14:53:21 GMT -5
I think a drone could spook a deer up from a bedding area. They seem to ignore me on my ATV or lawnmower until I stop. If I keep moving they seem okay. If a drone got close or hovered closely by they might jump up. Personally, I don't care if someone drives them with a drone if that's the way they want to hunt. It won't change me from just sitting and waiting until they come to my bait plot. LOL I would however like to know when their bedding pattern or movement pattern changes, but my cameras also tell me this. My big bucks are no longer coming into my food plot in the same place as the does. The does still do, but not the bucks. I haven't figured out where the bucks are coming in, but I'm guessing it's from the treeline somewhere now. As long as they come in the food plot it's still good, but I'd just like to know how to play the wind. This is the time when the bucks bachelor groups start breaking up and move to their best areas. 1st ones to break up are the older bucks, so you might start seeing different bucks. Plus, by 1st of September you will start seeing scrapes. If you find one by Sept 1 you have a great major buck scrape. This is the best time to scout for the dominate buck in the area. I'm going this weekend to check. Interesting! I have seen a different buck, but Big Ten is still around; however, I haven't seen treehead in a while. Strange thing is that I have not seen a single scrape on my food plot land since I started hunting. I'll look again next month. |
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Post by duff on Aug 16, 2016 6:33:05 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Aug 16, 2016 9:45:43 GMT -5
I have a feeling that we'll be reading several stories this year on sites like this where someone flew their drone over peoples homes and in front of windows or over a pool playing "high tech peeping tom", or used them to harass hunters or deer and the landowners ends up shooting the drone down or going over to the neighbor's house who was flying the drone and smashes their drone to pieces and kicks their rear ends. |
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