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Post by greghopper on Jul 31, 2016 16:36:41 GMT -5
Anyone have any input on 9mm vs. .40 Caliber for a Concealed carry calibers?
Looks like the FBI is has switched back to 9mm at the current time.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 31, 2016 17:17:23 GMT -5
Nothing in it with good loads. If you believe the 40 buys you something then just for the mental aspects it would be worth it.
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Post by wesb81219 on Jul 31, 2016 21:22:38 GMT -5
Get a 45
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Post by medic22 on Jul 31, 2016 21:41:08 GMT -5
10mm. Basically, only space guns are better.
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Post by bullseye69 on Aug 2, 2016 0:43:22 GMT -5
9mm =poodle shooter 9mm is a good round for shooting competitions but for personal protection get a 40 or 45. I have a 357sig that I carry for personal protection too. So you got a 9mm in a 40 case.  |
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Post by hornzilla on Aug 2, 2016 7:26:39 GMT -5
I carry a 9mm all the time. With good ammo it will do anything that needs to be done for a personal protection gun.
Last fall I had to put down a cow that paralyzed herself calving. The 9 did just fine with just one shot. I'm almost positive that a cow skull is tuffer than the chest of a bad guy.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 2, 2016 9:18:30 GMT -5
9mm =poodle shooter 9mm is a good round for shooting competitions but for personal protection get a 40 or 45. I have a 357sig that I carry for personal protection too. So you got a 9mm in a 40 case. Why? Do you have any validated evidence to back up that opinion? The FBI tests say there is little difference between any of those 3 rounds. If you want to learn look in to the work of Uri Patrick of the FBI, Dr. Gary Roberts and of course Dr. Fackler. |
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Post by jackryan on Aug 2, 2016 10:32:42 GMT -5
Carry what ever you want. No I don't have any validated evidence for that suggestion, just a firm conviction that I just don't care what most other people choose to carry. Most people who are asking are really just asking for an argument or a pat on the back to convince their self of something they aren't sure about.
I'd about as soon ask Hillary or Bill Clinton for advice as to base my fire arm choices on any branch of the government including the FBI. I make my decisions on what I've seen and done with my own eyes and my own hands and then I use a little common sense, all I have, with my own brain and buy or carry what ever I want.
Most of the time I carry my 10 mm Colt Delta Elite but I've got a little stable of carry guns I never feel under armed with. G20, FNX-45, Remington Rand 45 1911, and a couple or three 44 mag.
I've got a few small guns if concealment is an issue but they follow pretty much the same theme with Chief Special 45acp and a SW 3913.
I've got a full size Colt Gov in 9mm and I shoot it a lot. It's cheap to shoot, it's fun to shoot, I carry it off and on when "good enough" feels good enough. Especially in the summer when it doesn't take much to make something start feeling really hot and sticky and getting kinda heavy, more like a pain the hip than a close friend.
You can't learn on the internet what gun is for you.
You need someone who WANTS TO HELP YOU
AND IS STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU
AND HAS ENOUGH OPTIONS FOR YOU TO TRY
and KNOWS what fitting you MEANS.
Then you can learn something. The internet commandos who try to tell you different 1. just don't know, 2. just don't care about you, 3. have a psychological need of their own to convince you and their self they know what they are talking about.
9mm or 40 cal have about NOTHING to do with if a gun is for YOU or not. You can get guns in either caliber that are too big for YOU or too small for YOU or fit you just right. YOU need the gun that fits you and that you can operate and you feel comfortable with. None of that has anything at all to do with 9mm or 40 cal or what I own, want, or like.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 2, 2016 11:26:13 GMT -5
If you are going state one round is better than another then be prepared to back it up. You really think the FBI ballistics lab cares who is President, please! They care about what works to protect themselves. Use whatever you like but make your decision based on reality. And those people I mentioned know a whole lot more about wounding mechanisms than any of us here.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 2, 2016 11:49:46 GMT -5
Carry what ever you want. No I don't have any validated evidence for that suggestion, just a firm conviction that I just don't care what most other people choose to carry. Most people who are asking are really just asking for an argument or a pat on the back to convince their self of something they aren't sure about. I'd about as soon ask Hillary or Bill Clinton for advice as to base my fire arm choices on any branch of the government including the FBI. I make my decisions on what I've seen and done with my own eyes and my own hands and then I use a little common sense, all I have, with my own brain and buy or carry what ever I want. Most of the time I carry my 10 mm Colt Delta Elite but I've got a little stable of carry guns I never feel under armed with. G20, FNX-45, Remington Rand 45 1911, and a couple or three 44 mag. I've got a few small guns if concealment is an issue but they follow pretty much the same theme with Chief Special 45acp and a SW 3913. I've got a full size Colt Gov in 9mm and I shoot it a lot. It's cheap to shoot, it's fun to shoot, I carry it off and on when "good enough" feels good enough. Especially in the summer when it doesn't take much to make something start feeling really hot and sticky and getting kinda heavy, more like a pain the hip than a close friend. You can't learn on the internet what gun is for you. You need someone who WANTS TO HELP YOU AND IS STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU AND HAS ENOUGH OPTIONS FOR YOU TO TRY and KNOWS what fitting you MEANS. Then you can learn something. The internet commandos who try to tell you different 1. just don't know, 2. just don't care about you, 3. have a psychological need of their own to convince you and their self they know what they are talking about. 9mm or 40 cal have about NOTHING to do with if a gun is for YOU or not. You can get guns in either caliber that are too big for YOU or too small for YOU or fit you just right. YOU need the gun that fits you and that you can operate and you feel comfortable with. None of that has anything at all to do with 9mm or 40 cal or what I own, want, or like. With all your input and knowledge have you ever actually shot anyone in self defense ? If so what where those results.... If I may ask. |
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Post by medic22 on Aug 2, 2016 12:12:58 GMT -5
Ammo has changed over the years, largely in part to the results of FBI studies.
There was a time that 9mm only had 12" penetration 67% of the time. Whereas 10mm and 45 were 100%. The assitant chief of the FBI firearms training unit once said "I dont care what you carry, as long as it starts with a 4"
Keep in mind though, this is the same agency that dumbed down 10mm loads cause the recoil was to much for their fragile girly wrists.
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Post by steiny on Aug 2, 2016 14:10:14 GMT -5
These debates are always fun.
My preference to carry is typically a .22 It's small, handy, ammo is cheap and it's fun to shoot.
Heave heard on numerous occasions that it's not enough gun to stop a bad guy. My response is always ..... OK, so let me pop you with a couple rounds from it and see how much fight you have left.
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Post by medic22 on Aug 2, 2016 15:10:59 GMT -5
These debates are always fun. My preference to carry is typically a .22 It's small, handy, ammo is cheap and it's fun to shoot. Heave heard on numerous occasions that it's not enough gun to stop a bad guy. My response is always ..... OK, so let me pop you with a couple rounds from it and see how much fight you have left. Are you going to let your target shoot back? Its a whole new ballgame when adrenaline is flowing and the bad guy has a gun too. I dont particulary care what anyone carries, but that argument is ridiculous. |
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Post by steiny on Aug 2, 2016 15:48:01 GMT -5
I thought this debate was about the effectiveness of one round vs another?
My whole point is anything from .22 to bazooka won't matter much if you put one (or more) in the center of a bad guy. They're pretty much done giving you trouble at that point.
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 2, 2016 17:41:36 GMT -5
9 mm is more effective because American bodies are based on the standard meausring system. Kinda like putting a square peg in a round hole. Or a metric bolt in a standard nut. It just doesn't work out well for the recipient. There you go, you heard it here first. If you don't agree with me then prove me wrong.
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Post by bullseye69 on Aug 2, 2016 18:07:55 GMT -5
9mm =poodle shooter 9mm is a good round for shooting competitions but for personal protection get a 40 or 45. I have a 357sig that I carry for personal protection too. So you got a 9mm in a 40 case. Why? Do you have any validated evidence to back up that opinion? The FBI tests say there is little difference between any of those 3 rounds. If you want to learn look in to the work of Uri Patrick of the FBI, Dr. Gary Roberts and of course Dr. Fackler. That is just my opinion from shooting competitions with the different calibers. We tease the shooters, freinds in our shooting group, that shoot 9mm for target shooting that they are poodle shooters. Just a joke that evidently dosnt fit this forum. Sorry!! But greghopper just asked for opinions not hard facts. Sorry again for stating my time shooting the different rounds. My bad. Stieny is actually the winner of this debate because its not the stick you use but how well you can use it. Next time someone asks for a opinion I will just keep my mouth shut. JIMOO |
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 2, 2016 19:00:45 GMT -5
The most effective handgun is the one that you will ACTUALLY carry.
I've got a pocket pistol - Ruger LCP .380 that I can stick down the front pocket of my Levis. Summer time gun.
My Kahr CM9 9MM is a little more difficult to conceal in the summer time so it stays home..winter it get to go with me.. Especially while deer hunting..
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 2, 2016 19:03:58 GMT -5
Well said....
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Post by esshup on Aug 2, 2016 19:14:29 GMT -5
I'll throw my $0.02 in here. Remember, it is worth exactly what you paid for it.
A friend, who retired from a neighboring state police force, and who was the sniper trainer there, and still runs firearm training classes for civilians and state/federal agencies said that in a 9mm, shoot +P+ ammo. In multiple shootings, that +P+ ammo performed better on humans than lower powered 9mm ammo. His opinion is that you can never have enough gun, or ammo, but also agreed that a .22lr in the pocket is better than a .45 acp in the gun safe.
He said carry what you WILL carry, use the best ammo that you can for it, and practice, practice, practice with that same gun, from the same holster, from the same carry position that you would use when out and about.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 3, 2016 10:11:42 GMT -5
Carry what ever you want. No I don't have any validated evidence for that suggestion, just a firm conviction that I just don't care what most other people choose to carry. Most people who are asking are really just asking for an argument or a pat on the back to convince their self of something they aren't sure about. I'd about as soon ask Hillary or Bill Clinton for advice as to base my fire arm choices on any branch of the government including the FBI. I make my decisions on what I've seen and done with my own eyes and my own hands and then I use a little common sense, all I have, with my own brain and buy or carry what ever I want. Most of the time I carry my 10 mm Colt Delta Elite but I've got a little stable of carry guns I never feel under armed with. G20, FNX-45, Remington Rand 45 1911, and a couple or three 44 mag. I've got a few small guns if concealment is an issue but they follow pretty much the same theme with Chief Special 45acp and a SW 3913. I've got a full size Colt Gov in 9mm and I shoot it a lot. It's cheap to shoot, it's fun to shoot, I carry it off and on when "good enough" feels good enough. Especially in the summer when it doesn't take much to make something start feeling really hot and sticky and getting kinda heavy, more like a pain the hip than a close friend. You can't learn on the internet what gun is for you. You need someone who WANTS TO HELP YOU AND IS STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU AND HAS ENOUGH OPTIONS FOR YOU TO TRY and KNOWS what fitting you MEANS. Then you can learn something. The internet commandos who try to tell you different 1. just don't know, 2. just don't care about you, 3. have a psychological need of their own to convince you and their self they know what they are talking about. 9mm or 40 cal have about NOTHING to do with if a gun is for YOU or not. You can get guns in either caliber that are too big for YOU or too small for YOU or fit you just right. YOU need the gun that fits you and that you can operate and you feel comfortable with. None of that has anything at all to do with 9mm or 40 cal or what I own, want, or like. With all your input and knowledge have you ever actually shot anyone in self defense ? If so what where those results.... If I may ask. Nope. Have you? Would it be more relevant if we found some one to shoot with both a 9mm and a 40SW? They would have to be shot in exactly the same place but then they second one would have an advantage. We better find a set of twins to shoot each one with each caliber. Better make that triplets so we can get the 45acp argument out of the way at the same time. Truth is we'll need TWO sets of twins so we both can do redundant tests for comparison. You might mess yours up. Ooops, sorry. I forgot, I don't care what you carry and I'm perfectly happy with what I carry. You go ahead with your twins. |
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