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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 22, 2016 17:39:58 GMT -5
But the day may come that to enter any DNR property may cause a fee, and I'd be ok with that as well. Division of Forestry last fall described a program they were studying. They would install gates at all entrances to State Forests and you would need to purchase a card key to gain entry into the Forest. They were looking at an existing program in another state. So anyone doing anything in the state forests would be paying their fair share.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 22, 2016 17:44:40 GMT -5
I don't think I understand the question. But anyone that use state property for the use of hunting and fishing is already required to have a license to do so. But the day may come that to enter any DNR property may cause a fee, and I'd be ok with that as well. I mean that to be on any state property ( parks, forests, reservoirs, state recreation areas) one would have to possess a hunting or fishing license. No matter the actively, hiking, bird watching, mushroom hunting, camping, or anything else. If a property already has a fee schedule in place that would not change. I think that could easily double our P-R money and those that normally would not purchase a license would actually be the one helping secure theoney needed to take care of the lands they frequent.
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Post by lugnutz on Feb 22, 2016 18:42:57 GMT -5
Sounds like a legit idea to me.
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Post by sparky on Feb 22, 2016 18:53:24 GMT -5
Absolutely 100% NO. Landowners pay taxes...property taxes, ditch taxes, etc. Add the extra $$ on to non landowners license and see how receptive the idea is. This all depends on which side of the fence you are on.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 22, 2016 19:13:03 GMT -5
Is anyone else flat impressed by the sheer number of new members this thread has generated? Yes I am!
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Post by hunterman on Feb 22, 2016 19:19:06 GMT -5
Mess with Taxes and property rights and people get involved who may otherwise roll with the punches. Don't wake the sleeping giant.
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Post by span870 on Feb 22, 2016 19:43:10 GMT -5
I understand the argument that landowners pay taxes already but isn't it the same as me paying taxes on my property and the state using that money to buy land and opening it up to hunting. At that point shouldn't I then be able to hunt that land without a license? What about the landowners that use each and every avenue they can, ie. classified forest, to lower there taxes to minimal amount. How about the landowners that put their land into crp or other programs and get tax money back from the government. What about farm subsidies? It's not like free tags are the only benefit landowners get.
Just questions that popped in my mind for discussion. I really don't care one way or another if they get free tags or not.
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Post by colt on Feb 22, 2016 19:47:44 GMT -5
I'm a land owner and I purchase a hunting license almost every year, because I also hunt another property. That is unless I'm not going to be able to hunt much. Then I only hunt my property. I don't think I should have to pay to hunt my own land.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 22, 2016 19:50:53 GMT -5
Mess with Taxes and property rights and people get involved who may otherwise roll with the punches. Don't wake the sleeping giant. You can add hunting season lengths and dates to that list also....past history shows them results also.
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Post by span870 on Feb 22, 2016 19:51:47 GMT -5
Mess with Taxes and property rights and people get involved who may otherwise roll with the punches. Don't wake the sleeping giant. You can add hunting season lengths and dates to that list also....past history shows them results also. And weapons. Don't forget that one.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 22, 2016 19:52:39 GMT -5
Now say I get my $3.75 hunting license to hunt on my own land for firearms season. Now half way thru firearms season I get invited to hunt with a friend on his property. Now I have to but a regular priced license just to go hunt with my friend on his property? Now which one of my license are valid? This could just make a big mess!
The online system already sucks as it is. One year I bought a yearly small game hunting license when they first went on sale for the new year. When fall season came around I had forgotten that I had one because I couldn't remember where it was or if I did purchase one. So got one line and figured if I already had one I shouldn't be able to get another. But oh nah-nah! It let me purchase another license, then 2 days later I find my original one for that year. How do expect them to keep stuff straight if they can't even figure that out.
I hunt other places during the year besides my land so I think I pay enough already.
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Post by budd on Feb 23, 2016 8:29:55 GMT -5
Sure am glad Minnesota doesn't limit or charge people from using state land....or federal land. I would have to take out a loan...LOL. I would think by purchasing a state hunting or fishing license that should allow one unlimited access to "state land".
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Post by Boilermaker on Feb 23, 2016 9:37:15 GMT -5
I wonder how many folks who are anxious to tell landowners they need to pay a "fee" or tax to hunt their own land would also be willing to pay for a fishing license to fish on private ponds and lakes...
Not exactly apples to apples but the idea is similar.
Just because you may not be financially capable of purchasing your own farm / recreation land doesn't mean you should add any headache or more taxes to someone who is able to do so.
You already pay taxes on your .5 acre lot you say? Compare that to the 100+ acre farms and see how they compare...you'd be looking for every tax break you could and detesting any additional "fee" or tax.
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Post by Blackstick on Feb 23, 2016 10:26:35 GMT -5
I'm a lifetime license holder that mostly hunts and fish my own land. I do hunt public land once in a while. While this is proposed to be a minimal tax now. It will increase the same as all other fees and taxes have increased. Living on a fixed income, this is not exceptable to me.
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Post by ncmountainman on Feb 23, 2016 11:17:06 GMT -5
Here in NC I buy a Sportsmans License each year. It costs $50 now but....I can fish or hunt any game in NC during the season for that game with two exceptions. I have to buy a trout stamp if I want to fish designated trout streams and a federal duck stamp if I want to duck/goose hunt. I can fish all the lakes or rivers, small game hunt, tag up to the state limit on deer, 2 turkey, and 1 bear all on one license. Bear now requires a $10 extra stamp. Really simplifies things.
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Post by steiny on Feb 23, 2016 11:24:02 GMT -5
In addition to license, boat registration, etc. we fishermen get dinged with another $22 lake launch permit (sticker) to fish all DNR managed properties.
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Post by sailorb on Feb 23, 2016 11:37:50 GMT -5
I am a landowner and a lifetime license holder. I think a voluntary fee is the way to go. Those who wish to support wildlife management can, but no one is forced to pay yet another fee to the government to use their own land. If I had an 800 ac farm, paid taxes on it and hunted only there, I would probably see a mandatory fee as unjust. In cases like that, a lot of deer harvests would then go unreported and DNR would not have as good data on the harvest numbers.
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 23, 2016 11:48:04 GMT -5
I wonder how many folks who are anxious to tell landowners they need to pay a "fee" or tax to hunt their own land would also be willing to pay for a fishing license to fish on private ponds and lakes... Not exactly apples to apples but the idea is similar. Just because you may not be financially capable of purchasing your own farm / recreation land doesn't mean you should add any headache or more taxes to someone who is able to do so. You already pay taxes on your .5 acre lot you say? Compare that to the 100+ acre farms and see how they compare...you'd be looking for every tax break you could and detesting any additional "fee" or tax. the fish in private lakes and ponds aren't owned by the state. But, I would be willing to pay to fish private waters the same as I am willing to pay my license fees to hunt on private property.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 23, 2016 12:10:07 GMT -5
I wonder how many folks who are anxious to tell landowners they need to pay a "fee" or tax to hunt their own land would also be willing to pay for a fishing license to fish on private ponds and lakes... Not exactly apples to apples but the idea is similar. Just because you may not be financially capable of purchasing your own farm / recreation land doesn't mean you should add any headache or more taxes to someone who is able to do so. You already pay taxes on your .5 acre lot you say? Compare that to the 100+ acre farms and see how they compare...you'd be looking for every tax break you could and detesting any additional "fee" or tax. Here is where I have a problem with this and it's opening another can of worms. First you say someone may not be financially capable of purchasing their own recreation land then in the next paragraph you say to compare to the 100+ acre farm and them looking for every tax break. Comparing those two the second scenario is someone purchasing something they can't afford. Sure I could go out and buy more land than I own now and probably could afford to but after paying taxes and everything else it wouldn't be feasible. To me this is no different than these college kids that go to school and spend $60,000 on a degree in a field that pays no more than $30,000 a year and wants me to pay for it. Whether your a clerk at the store, a millionaire business man, or a farmer. Don't buy anything you can't afford. Taxes included. But what if when you bought the land the tax on it was manageable and then you know major tax increase, or you have a change in employment. So you should think 15 years into the future and say nope tax will be to expensive by then and I may loose my job and be flipping burgers ,better not do that. Who does that? JMO Some people have dreams of living on their own acreage and not a postage stamp sized yard.
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Post by swilk on Feb 23, 2016 13:05:42 GMT -5
Ive owned my farm since 2009 ..... in that time my taxes have increased 80%.
80%.
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Not a damn thing has changed on the farm. Not a single crop has been harvested. Not a single dime in income.
80%.
Take that $3.75 from my taxes I already pay. Anyone who trusts it would stay $3.75 or trusts that the funds would only be used for what you believe it would be used for is a fool.
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