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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 11, 2016 17:30:13 GMT -5
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Post by hunterman on Feb 11, 2016 19:57:15 GMT -5
This bill is designed to "prevent" canned hunting and promote ethical preserves. The people who don't know the difference are the same people responsible for the legislature taking over on dnr matters. If you have a narrow mind and can't respect all sportsmen you are part of the problem in our fight in protecting and preserving hunting and the hunting heritage.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 11, 2016 20:05:33 GMT -5
This bill is designed to "prevent" canned hunting and promote ethical preserves. The people who don't know the difference are the same people responsible for the legislature taking over on dnr matters. If you have a narrow mind and can't respect all sportsmen you are part of the problem in our fight in protecting and preserving hunting and the hunting heritage. It's inside a fence, which immediately sounds canned. What size does the enclosure have to be to "prevent" canned hunting and promote ethical preserves?
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Post by esshup on Feb 12, 2016 1:06:21 GMT -5
I see they scratched fish out of the SB. Maybe that means that the fish haulers permit will be back in force if this passes? No complaints here if it comes back.
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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 12, 2016 19:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Feb 13, 2016 0:57:57 GMT -5
Thanks! I believe you are correct.
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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 15, 2016 12:50:09 GMT -5
SB109 was tabled this morning and will continue next Monday to give legislators time to possibly amend a few issues. I think it will pass but may be amended to a higher fee and maybe require antlers to be drilled before they leave the facility to prevent submission as wild deer antlers to record books. Since this bill combined DNR's issue with wild animal authority they did testify but basically said nothing about the high fence portion.
HatchetJack
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Post by hunterman on Feb 15, 2016 14:04:22 GMT -5
Typical hearing today on this issue, the humane society and couple of their buddies spoke against. Same old song and dance that has been debunked year after year and committee let them know it. There may be amendments but defacing a trophy won't be one of them unless they wanna make all of us identify antlers from either side of the fence. It was nice to see the dnr and boah testify in support of this to finally resolve once and for all.
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Post by throbak on Feb 15, 2016 17:25:50 GMT -5
A small Hole at the base of the antlers under the crown , hidden by the cape Will not deface a trophy Sorry !!
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Post by hunterman on Feb 15, 2016 17:39:06 GMT -5
Why would anyone want to enter them into a Hoosier book when they have their own national scoring system which happens to be the largest scoring system in SCI. Anyone corrupt enough to try and enter that way could certainly have a little hole filled. That proposal just proves a couple of those guys are only worried about somebody getting a bigger deer than them. This proposal has been years and years in the making, the preserves, the deer farmers, the dnr, the board of animal health, the legislators and sportsmen are ALL finally in agreement that this is the best result. Nobody got everything they wanted but everyone got what they needed to move on. The radicals on both sides lose and the majority wins, isn't that how it's supposed to be.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 20:20:17 GMT -5
Even if a small hole was drilled thru the base of the antler above the pellicle, that wouldn't detract from the look of the mount.
I can see someone either submitting a canned deer rack to B&C or a few years down the road having one come up in an estate sale and want to get entered as a sort of "found" rack. I was thinking more along the lines of drill and dye or drill and epoxy an ID number inside the rack for future reference. PIT tag maybe? 1/2" deep by 3/32" dia. shouldn't be that objectionable.....
hatchetjack, do you know who was testifying for the BOAH and DNR? Just curious to see if it was anybody I deal with. Jennifer lives about 8 miles from me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2016 20:24:54 GMT -5
Even if a small hole was drilled thru the base of the antler above the pellicle, that wouldn't detract from the look of the mount. I can see someone either submitting a canned deer rack to B&C or a few years down the road having one come up in an estate sale and want to get entered as a sort of "found" rack. hatchetjack, do you know who was testifying for the BOAH and DNR? Just curious to see if it was anybody I deal with. Jennifer lives about 8 miles from me. There have been cases like that already.. Some have been caught red handed and some register and no one is the wiser.. Why register a farm deer as a legal wild kill? To gain fame and fortune.. When discussing "book deer" the Boone and Crockett and the Pope and Young are the gold standards. Quite a few deer hunters can tell you what the world record typical whitetail buck is and who took it. I'll bet no one on here can tell us what the highest scoring SCI buck is except maybe Hunterman..
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 20:26:40 GMT -5
Woody, that's why I edited my post in regards to inserting an ID of some sort into the rack, not the skull.
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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 15, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -5
To be clear the Director had no choice but to support SB109. The bill sponsor rolled Mike Crider's SB195 returning authority over all wild animals in captivity EXCEPT cervids into this bill. The DNR had no choice but to support that part of the bill which is what Director Clark did. He barely spoke to the high fence part of the bill and danced around the issue like a good lawyer. Watch the debate on-line and arrive at your own conclusion but the DNR Director had to take the good with the bad. Further if the DNR supported high fence hunting I doubt they would give the authority to BOAH rather than keep it themselves. iga.in.gov/information/archives/2016/video/committee_natural_resources_1400/Cam Clark's testimony starts around 1:40 of the 2+ hour session. Jack
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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 15, 2016 20:43:31 GMT -5
hatchetjack, do you know who was testifying for the BOAH and DNR? Just curious to see if it was anybody I deal with. Jennifer lives about 8 miles from me. Cam Clark for the DNR Gary Haines for the BOAH
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Post by firstwd on Feb 15, 2016 20:47:07 GMT -5
Even if a small hole was drilled thru the base of the antler above the pellicle, that wouldn't detract from the look of the mount. I can see someone either submitting a canned deer rack to B&C or a few years down the road having one come up in an estate sale and want to get entered as a sort of "found" rack. hatchetjack, do you know who was testifying for the BOAH and DNR? Just curious to see if it was anybody I deal with. Jennifer lives about 8 miles from me. There have been cases like that already.. Some have been caught red handed and some register and no one is the wiser.. Why register a farm deer as a legal wild kill? To gain fame and fortune.. When discussing "book deer" the Boone and Crockett and the Pope and Young are the gold standards. Quite a few deer hunters can tell you what the world record typical whitetail buck is and who took it. I'll bet no one on here can tell us what the highest scoring SCI buck is except maybe Hunterman.. I'll bite. What the heck is SCI?
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2016 20:49:18 GMT -5
There have been cases like that already.. Some have been caught red handed and some register and no one is the wiser.. Why register a farm deer as a legal wild kill? To gain fame and fortune.. When discussing "book deer" the Boone and Crockett and the Pope and Young are the gold standards. Quite a few deer hunters can tell you what the world record typical whitetail buck is and who took it. I'll bet no one on here can tell us what the highest scoring SCI buck is except maybe Hunterman.. I'll bite. What the heck is SCI? Point proven .. It is the Safari Club International. They accept animals that are taken within the confines of a fence..
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Post by hunterman on Feb 15, 2016 21:35:09 GMT -5
SCI. Safari Club International. The largest sportsmen group in the world. A couple guys named jim Shockey and Ted nugent are talking heads for. But in order to know this you would have to be all about conservation and carrying on the hunting heritage. That reinforces how you have to view things outside of your own little world.
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Post by throbak on Feb 15, 2016 21:59:18 GMT -5
Some Me included are perfectly happy in my on little world And I had hoped that Indiana would stay CWD free but I guess not look what's happening in Teds Michigan and CWD Indianas next now That Trash like the canned hunts are welcomed count on it !!
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Post by throbak on Feb 15, 2016 22:14:28 GMT -5
Another thing I heard there are over 100 deer farms in La grange County alone The DNR has officers in every co and had to shuffle to get the inspections in The BOAH has ONE inspector for the whole State how's that going to work ??
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