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Post by hunterman on Jan 22, 2016 9:27:32 GMT -5
EVERYONE has seen through the flat out lies and bad information regarding the disease scare. There is no truth to it. You name a subject and I'll find you an article somewhere to say whatever you want it to say. The facts are in reality, cwd been in Colorado since sixties, hum, 19% a year, people are not that stupid. Find a legitimate argument if you want to be taken seriously. The DNR, Farm bureau, National Federation of independent business, indiana state Board of animal health, SCI the largest sportsman group in the world and the hunting preserves All support this. So that only leaves the anti and a handfull of others to complain. I know for a fact more members of the little sporting groups that oppose have hunted on preserves than has ever spoke against.
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Post by hunterman on Jan 22, 2016 9:34:35 GMT -5
EVERYONE has seen through the flat out lies and bad information regarding the disease scare. There is no truth to it. You name a subject and I'll find you an article somewhere to say whatever you want it to say. The facts are in reality, cwd been in Colorado since sixties, hum, 19% a year, people are not that stupid. Find a legitimate argument if you want to be taken seriously. The DNR, Farm bureau, National Federation of independent business, indiana state Board of animal health, SCI the largest sportsman group in the world and the hunting preserves All support this. So that only leaves the anti and a handfull of others to complain. I know for a fact more members of the little sporting groups that oppose have hunted on preserves than has ever spoke against.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2016 9:36:34 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Jan 22, 2016 9:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by windingwinds on Jan 22, 2016 10:56:18 GMT -5
Fencing in a area that is 100 acres is not healthy for Indiana's already dwindling habitat. That removes that area for wild deer. Deer naturally have a range much larger than that, bucks especially. These "farmers" going to regulate their farm population or just allow farm deer to inbreed? As to value of farm deer-they have no value if no one's buying. So don't. They will die out just like every other exotic flashy animal. This fall I noticed a new fence close to the area in Miami County that was closed due to the owner drugging deer for celebrities, guess he will be back into business soon.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 22, 2016 11:14:24 GMT -5
EVERYONE has seen through the flat out lies and bad information regarding the disease scare. There is no truth to it. You name a subject and I'll find you an article somewhere to say whatever you want it to say. The facts are in reality, cwd been in Colorado since sixties, hum, 19% a year, people are not that stupid. Find a legitimate argument if you want to be taken seriously. The DNR, Farm bureau, National Federation of independent business, indiana state Board of animal health, SCI the largest sportsman group in the world and the hunting preserves All support this. So that only leaves the anti and a handfull of others to complain. I know for a fact more members of the little sporting groups that oppose have hunted on preserves than has ever spoke against. How does CWD get in the wild Indiana deer herd? One such way is ... triblive.com/sports/2793157-74/deer-pennsylvania-agriculture-farm-cwd-disease-adams-department-state-test#axzz3xzSJEKaeAND.. www.indystar.com/story/news/investigations/2014/03/27/buck-fever-chapter-two/6867301/as far as I know not all of this deer have been captured or killed. So, is CWD in or wild herd now? Then there is Bovine TB.... Wasn't there a deer farm where all deer had to be killed off because of Bovine TB?
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Post by onebentarrow on Jan 22, 2016 11:14:32 GMT -5
EVERYONE has seen through the flat out lies and bad information regarding the disease scare. There is no truth to it. You name a subject and I'll find you an article somewhere to say whatever you want it to say. The facts are in reality, cwd been in Colorado since sixties, hum, 19% a year, people are not that stupid. Find a legitimate argument if you want to be taken seriously. The DNR, Farm bureau, National Federation of independent business, indiana state Board of animal health, SCI the largest sportsman group in the world and the hunting preserves All support this. So that only leaves the anti and a handfull of others to complain. I know for a fact more members of the little sporting groups that oppose have hunted on preserves than has ever spoke against. I do agree with some of your statements. I know you can find an apposing study refuting any picked subject and I too have hunted high fence but here is the quandry. I have dune quite a bit of reading on the subject and my feeling at this time is I do not want them here now because I feel that nothing on either side about cwd has been proven right or wrong. I am only talking about cwd here. I am afraid that some of the for study could have been influenced. Just as the tobacco, asbestas and coal black lung were in the past. Am I positive about this? No. But I do not want to take a chance and end up with cwd here and find out later I was correct. I am in agreement that high fence operations should be allowed but not with any animal at this time that could introduce cwd. This cwd thing is gona be a long drawn out process to see just what is correct and what is not. At this time I am apposed to the sale of deer p products also. Some of the agenst studys feel that cwd can be spread when an infected animal is used to gather ther uren then is shipped to an aera that does not have cwd. Has this been proven. No, but why take a chance. I am not agenst business making money. What I am agenst is a business causing any kind of long turn damage that can not be repaired. Water, health,environment or in this instance deer herd. My statements here pertain to high fence and cwd only. They have not included any of the other aspects associated with the high fence industry as some of them are personal feelings and opinions on right and wrong. Onebentarrow
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 22, 2016 11:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Jan 22, 2016 12:04:51 GMT -5
EVERYONE has seen through the flat out lies and bad information regarding the disease scare. There is no truth to it. You name a subject and I'll find you an article somewhere to say whatever you want it to say. The facts are in reality, cwd been in Colorado since sixties, hum, 19% a year, people are not that stupid. Find a legitimate argument if you want to be taken seriously. The DNR, Farm bureau, National Federation of independent business, indiana state Board of animal health, SCI the largest sportsman group in the world and the hunting preserves All support this. So that only leaves the anti and a handfull of others to complain. I know for a fact more members of the little sporting groups that oppose have hunted on preserves than has ever spoke against. How does CWD get in the wild Indiana deer herd? One such way is ... triblive.com/sports/2793157-74/deer-pennsylvania-agriculture-farm-cwd-disease-adams-department-state-test#axzz3xzSJEKaeAND.. www.indystar.com/story/news/investigations/2014/03/27/buck-fever-chapter-two/6867301/as far as I know not all of this deer have been captured or killed. So, is CWD in or wild herd now? Then there is Bovine TB.... Wasn't there a deer farm where all deer had to be killed off because of Bovine TB?Don't know if an outbreak of Bovine TB occurred on a farm, But Michigan had an outbreak a few years ago. Do they have Deer farms up in Michigan??
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Post by throbak on Jan 22, 2016 12:50:16 GMT -5
REAL OR NOT REAL CONSEQUENCES. These diseases and pests have real consequences for taxpayers, the food supply and wildlife. Indiana spent $1.2 million fighting an outbreak of bovine TB that started on a deer farm and spread to a cattle ranch. Wisconsin has spent more than $30 million fighting chronic wasting disease. One Wyoming wild deer herd infected with CWD has declined by 50 percent. Half of all wintering fawns in some Western wild herds die because of the exotic lice infestations.
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Post by hunterman on Jan 22, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -5
CWD has been found in 3 states that have never had a deer farm or hunting preserve. It is everywhere and had been for a long long time. There is no massive kill offs anywhere and numbers continue to flourish where it has been for 30 years. Its merely a tool and false narrative to use against sportsmen and industry and its proven more and more every day. Another Fact: If it were an issue the State would be testing and concerned, Indiana test less than 1%, yes LESS THAN 1%, if they had ANY concerns testing would be done widespread. I bet none of you guys are concerned enough to spend $100 each to test your deer as the game farms do, lets make it mandatory that every deer in the wild be tested by the hunter who kills it, see how much support you get for this bogus scare tactic then.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2016 14:33:18 GMT -5
Lol..... And the spin continues!!
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2016 20:01:28 GMT -5
While this argument continues over how "real" the threat of CWD is, I seem to remember a certain group crying about EHD killing a bunch of deer on their deer farms and pens this past Summer.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 22, 2016 20:41:55 GMT -5
The fact that these places exist is not arguable. The fact that they need regulated is also certain.
The only questions left is who should be regulating them and by what standards.
Like the wildlife we all enjoy or the farm animals raised all over the state, do we actually want legislators in charge of things?
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Post by hunterman on Jan 22, 2016 20:56:47 GMT -5
EHD is real, it actually kills thousands and thousands of deer all across the nation. If cwd killed 1% of the deer killed by EHD it would be something to be concerned over. Most hunters have found deer in their area taken by ehd, you will never run into a hunter who's found a deer taken by cwd.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 22, 2016 21:12:23 GMT -5
EHD is real, it actually kills thousands and thousands of deer all across the nation. If cwd killed 1% of the deer killed by EHD it would be something to be concerned over. Most hunters have found deer in their area taken by ehd, you will never run into a hunter who's found a deer taken by cwd. Never is one of those words that is dangerous to use.
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Post by throbak on Jan 23, 2016 7:46:32 GMT -5
Never found is where we want it to stay Too!!!
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Post by greghopper on Jan 23, 2016 8:08:56 GMT -5
Never is where we want it to stay Too!!! That was the thought process also with TB until 2009 when it was found on Indiana Cervid Farm... goo.gl/YkZIn1 goo.gl/GirBZu
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Post by hunterman on Jan 23, 2016 9:24:54 GMT -5
Global warming and zombies are scheduled to to end deer hunting as we know it before cwd. It's true, there are articles on the Internet about it. And remember that one day last winter it got 71 degrees, that proves it. Just ask a liberal or anti and they will confirm this cwd end of days theory.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 23, 2016 9:54:33 GMT -5
I bought gas for 1.54 last weekend, I thought that was a good price.
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