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Post by firstwd on Jan 16, 2016 22:56:41 GMT -5
It ALL comes down to jealousy, someone may kill a bigger buck than you so you gotta try stop them. A guy offered a free preserve hunt at the Indy hunting show last year and a guy was also there with a petition to shut preserves down. The guy giving the hunt away had OVER 1000 (one thousand) signatures to every 1 (one) signature on the petition to ban. That is why hunting preserves are here to stay. If the preserves affected your way of hunting then you would have an argument, but since they protect your way and every other way of hunting your argument is null. I have friends that are deer farmers and another that is an elk farmer, so I do know both sides of the argument. First, I don't see jealousy having any standing as to why those opposed of these operations are so. Second, and maybe I just haven't looked deeply enough, I don't understand how a fenced shooting area is going to protect free range deer hunting. To me, this is an operation that almost has to work completely against itself to be deemed as "fair" by a large portion of the deer hunting community. The area would have to be cleared of all wild deer before/as the fence was going up. The fenced hunting area would have to be large, as in at least a square mile large to closely mimic free range whitetail range. Human contact would have to be nonexistent which means deer could not be eartagged or tattooed and disease testing would be impossible. Fencing would have to be at least 1.5 times the accepted height a whitetial could jump to assure no mixing with the wild herd and it would have to be double if not tipple fenced. Of course all of these things would be required to ensure a "free range" fair experience for both hunter and prey. Then again,these preserves (not sure the definition fits the use) could go the way of pheasant and chucker facilities. While fencing would still be required to prevent captive/wild mingling, they could do a put and take hunt with deer just like birds. I guess I need to read the entire bill and see exactly what is in there. In my view of things nothing should be allowed or prohibited simply because someone "feels" that is the way it should be.
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2016 6:07:02 GMT -5
It ALL comes down to jealousy, someone may kill a bigger buck than you so you gotta try stop them. A guy offered a free preserve hunt at the Indy hunting show last year and a guy was also there with a petition to shut preserves down. The guy giving the hunt away had OVER 1000 (one thousand) signatures to every 1 (one) signature on the petition to ban. That is why hunting preserves are here to stay. If the preserves affected your way of hunting then you would have an argument, but since they protect your way and every other way of hunting your argument is null. I don't really see "Jealousy" as a major factor in this issue of Hunting Preserve better known as: "Canned Hunts", which I am totally against. I was thinking last evening, if maybe there could be certain hunting areas developed, that allow Handicapped Hunters a chance to hunt. These areas would NOT be anything like you are describing, but rather a hunting area of easier access, and "Hunter Friendly" for those Hunter with Disabilities. WITH NO FENCED IN DEER TO JUST SHOOT COMING OUT OF A PIN.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 17, 2016 7:31:44 GMT -5
It ALL comes down to jealousy, someone may kill a bigger buck than you so you gotta try stop them. A guy offered a free preserve hunt at the Indy hunting show last year and a guy was also there with a petition to shut preserves down. The guy giving the hunt away had OVER 1000 (one thousand) signatures to every 1 (one) signature on the petition to ban. That is why hunting preserves are here to stay. If the preserves affected your way of hunting then you would have an argument, but since they protect your way and every other way of hunting your argument is null. I don't really see "Jealousy" as a major factor in this issue of Hunting Preserve better known as: "Canned Hunts", which I am totally against. I was thinking last evening, if maybe there could be certain hunting areas developed, that allow Handicapped Hunters a chance to hunt. These areas would NOT be anything like you are describing, but rather a hunting area of easier access, and "Hunter Friendly" for those Hunter with Disabilities. WITH NO FENCED IN DEER TO JUST SHOOT COMING OUT OF A PIN.I'm curious. Is it just deer you feel this strongly about or do you have the same passion against bird facilities, DNR put and take pheasant hunts, and the trout pond at the Indiana State Fair?
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2016 7:51:51 GMT -5
I don't really see "Jealousy" as a major factor in this issue of Hunting Preserve better known as: "Canned Hunts", which I am totally against. I was thinking last evening, if maybe there could be certain hunting areas developed, that allow Handicapped Hunters a chance to hunt. These areas would NOT be anything like you are describing, but rather a hunting area of easier access, and "Hunter Friendly" for those Hunter with Disabilities. WITH NO FENCED IN DEER TO JUST SHOOT COMING OUT OF A PIN.I'm curious. Is it just deer you feel this strongly about or do you have the same passion against bird facilities, DNR put and take pheasant hunts, and the trout pond at the Indiana State Fair? I am somewhat confused, concerning your question. I thought this thread was about "High Fenced" DEER hunting preserves; and I am unaware about the other species you mention, as to put and take and Trout ponds at State Fairs.
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Post by throbak on Jan 17, 2016 8:14:24 GMT -5
Wonder if the coyote pens will back in business? That's a good Question
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Post by firstwd on Jan 17, 2016 8:26:51 GMT -5
I'm curious. Is it just deer you feel this strongly about or do you have the same passion against bird facilities, DNR put and take pheasant hunts, and the trout pond at the Indiana State Fair? I am somewhat confused, concerning your question. I thought this thread was about "High Fenced" DEER hunting preserves; and I am unaware about the other species you mention, as to put and take and Trout ponds at State Fairs. It is a thread about deer. But, just like the issue of guns, one can not be banned without the risk of putting all in jeopardy. The coyote pens is another good question. If catching wild catfish and selling them to pay lakes is legal and acceptable, why doesn't the same hold true for coyote?
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2016 8:38:30 GMT -5
I am somewhat confused, concerning your question. I thought this thread was about "High Fenced" DEER hunting preserves; and I am unaware about the other species you mention, as to put and take and Trout ponds at State Fairs. It is a thread about deer. But, just like the issue of guns, one can not be banned without the risk of putting all in jeopardy. The coyote pens is another good question. If catching wild catfish and selling them to pay lakes is legal and acceptable, why doesn't the same hold true for coyote? Way back in the '60's, Coyotes were unheard of in Indiana, but rather in the Great Plain States. I would think importing wild Coyotes to other States, that naturally had none, would be illegal under the "Lacey Act". I first saw & shot my first Coyote, in Indiana, back in 1990.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 17, 2016 9:14:54 GMT -5
Wonder if the coyote pens will back in business? It would have to be a FARM raised coyote to be legal.....NO wild game in pens
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Post by firstwd on Jan 17, 2016 9:37:41 GMT -5
Wonder if the coyote pens will back in business? It would have to be a FARM raised coyote to be legal.....NO wild game in pens OK, I can see no issue with that. I do have difficulty understanding why it's legal for fish though.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 17, 2016 9:44:48 GMT -5
So what do you think the success rate is for catching WILD fish in a pay lake???
Pick and choose what fish you want?
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Post by ms660 on Jan 17, 2016 10:11:44 GMT -5
Wonder if the coyote pens will back in business? It would have to be a FARM raised coyote to be legal.....NO wild game in pens Raising "farmed" raised coyotes would be no problem at all. I raise ranch foxes back when the market was good in the early 1980's.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 17, 2016 10:18:16 GMT -5
Folks are doing that with rabbits now I do believe...
I don't think the goal is to Kill them though! Unlike Deer...
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Post by throbak on Jan 17, 2016 10:45:37 GMT -5
So what do you think the success rate is for catching WILD fish in a pay lake??? Pick and choose what fish you want? Pretty high most don't use farm raised Its gambling thing in pay lakes And it SHOULD BE ILLEGAL to profit off Wild Fish in a pay lake You can't do it with any other of our Resources Why Catfish Not fishing any more than canned or high fence is hunting
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 17, 2016 11:31:20 GMT -5
You can make money off of almost all wild life Deer antlers hooves and hides. Squirrel hides Otter and beaver pelts Coon, fox, coyote, mink, and muskrat fur as well Why not fish?
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Post by budd on Jan 17, 2016 11:52:38 GMT -5
We can sell meat off rabbit and hare here in Minnesota.
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Post by throbak on Jan 17, 2016 13:03:06 GMT -5
You can make money off of almost all wild life Deer antlers hooves and hides. Squirrel hides Otter and beaver pelts Coon, fox, coyote, mink, and muskrat fur as well Why not fish? The things you speak of are highly regulated fish are year round any method all you want and until January First this year no limits and still all you want between 13 and 35 inches year round see now every thing you talk of is not commercially harvested year round
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Post by ms660 on Jan 17, 2016 13:26:00 GMT -5
Thro, I read what you posted 5 times and I still don't understand it. Must be posting with your phone LOL
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Post by throbak on Jan 17, 2016 13:59:52 GMT -5
yep Phone hows this ?? The fish in Indiana Are commercially Harvested by the Thousands 24/7 no season ,no limit nothing else you mentioned is like that, there are seasons and limits , The fish dont have that protection its a free for all exploitation of a public resource any thing else Go to PM getting off topic LOL
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 17, 2016 14:12:44 GMT -5
The resource is there for everyone to use 24/7 365 if the rod and reel fisherman wanted or was able to catch the same fish they could
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 18, 2016 10:03:14 GMT -5
SB109 will go to the full Senate for debate and amendment tomorrow as second reading of the bill takes place. There are already 7 amendments filed. Hard telling what's going to happen but tomorrow should be exciting... iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/calendars/senate/09/
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