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Post by Land Between the Lakes on Sept 29, 2015 10:58:15 GMT -5
I've hunted in Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee in recent years. And I think people should buy whatever they want with their money, and they should hunt however they want.
I'm just saying I have noticed it seems like most deer are now taken based on feeding skills instead of hunting skills. Even on hunting shows all they do is hunt directly over bait and food plots, they almost never actually teach people how to hunt but rather how to feed deer. So many people watch these shows so they think the only way to hunt is to hunt over a timed feeder, bait, crop,or food plot. When the truth is there are a lot of other ways and places to hunt and be successful.
I hunt in Kentucky a lot. In Kentucky hunters can hunt directly over food plots, and bait. As soon as season starts nearly every store in Kentucky has a hard time keeping bait and deer corn on the shelves. You would think every hunter in KY hunts over bait.
There is nothing wrong with this if that is how people want to hunt, but I think a lot of people really are missing out on learning about nature, plants, trees, and woodsmanship now days if all they do is just hunt and/or learn how to hunt over bait, timed feeders, food plots etc.
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 29, 2015 11:05:11 GMT -5
Amen^^
I also (cast stones at me for it if you want) think less of a big buck harvested over a pile of corn than one harvested in an oak flat by a pinch point (created by the terrain). Just how I am.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 29, 2015 11:05:13 GMT -5
I've hunted in Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee in recent years. And I think people should buy whatever they want with their money, and they should hunt however they want. I'm just saying I have noticed it seems like most deer are now taken based on feeding skills instead of hunting skills. Even on hunting shows all they do is hunt directly over bait and food plots, they almost never actually teach people how to hunt but rather how to feed deer. So many people watch these shows so they think the only way to hunt is to hunt over a timed feeder, bait, crop,or food plot. When the truth is there are a lot of other ways and places to hunt and be successful. I hunt in Kentucky a lot. In Kentucky hunters can hunt directly over food plots, and bait. As soon as season starts nearly every store in Kentucky has a hard time keeping bait and deer corn on the shelves. You would think every hunter in KY hunts over bait. There is nothing wrong with this if that is how people want to hunt, but I think a lot of people really are missing out on learning about nature, plants, trees, and woodsmanship now days if all they do is just hunt and/or learn how to hunt over bait, timed feeders, food plots etc. I know exactly what you are saying and I admire anyone with these skills and most talent that people have, especially when one works hard to obtain it. |
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Post by Land Between the Lakes on Sept 29, 2015 11:14:37 GMT -5
I started out hunting in Hoosier National in a tree I could climb and sit in a crook. Not very comfortable, but my mentor (uncle) pretty much taught the school of hard knocks. I still like to stalk or just make a ground blind. Crossbows killed woodsmanship, lol I have hunted in the Hoosier National Forest and several other Forest service properties in other states also. It definitely takes skill to be successful in the Hoosier National Forest. It's pretty much all big woods, ridges, and a low deer density in most areas. There is no bait, and no food plots in the Hoosier National Forest. It's all natural habitat and food sources you are hunting. In my opinion a lot of people now days probably would not really know how to hunt a place like the Hoosier National Forest if all they have been taught is how to hunt over bait, food plots, crops etc. Hunting places in Indiana like the Hoosier National Forest, Big Oaks National Wildlife Refuge, and other state forest, refuges etc are great places to teach people about nature, plants, trees, natural food sources. Those places have no crops either so you have to hunt over natural food sources, natural bedding areas, pinch points etc. Hunting those types of places can really teach people a lot which can make them a better hunter and more educated about the natural resources. Some people say things like " Why do I need to know woodsmanship if I am successful hunting crops, bait, food plots etc"? Well what happens if you loose your land/property ? And then you have to hunt public land or some other place where there is no bait, feeders, food plots, crops etc. Then those woodsmanship skills are necessary. I've spent a good amount of time in Colorado, Utah and other western states and if you hunt out west for Mule Deer, Bear, Elk, Moose etc you need outdoor skills and woodsmanship. |
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Post by chubwub on Sept 29, 2015 11:24:10 GMT -5
I think part of why the trend has gone to creating food plots, tree stands and hunting over food sources is because we are all contained by our invisible boundaries. It is no longer legally possible in most parts of our states to do a true stalk hunt where you follow a deer for x amount of time, or walk until you find tracks and hunt them down unless you are super rich and can afford 1,000 acres of private hunting ground. If they cross where you are not allowed, you can't finish the stalk.
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Post by urbanguy on Sept 29, 2015 11:42:50 GMT -5
I agree with the weapons and bait discussion. I watch the Buck Commander guys and Wild Game Nation crew and notice more and more they use crossbows over feeders or bait piles. 20 yard shots and its done...BIG EXCITEMENT! (sarcasm). Yes there is error to be had in the cross bow but if I don't anchor my Matthews right on a 30 yard shot I could injure or completely miss. The crossbow has brought new hunters into the woods and seems they don't have the same learning curve experienced by others that have been hunting for 10 years or so.
IDK, I look at the Drury's and see them explain weather patters, bedding, pinch points all of the standard information I use to hunt. Does it help? Of course! Do we all have the time though to spend away from our families walking properties and gathering the information? These guys do it for their job. I think most of us are weekend warrior when we get time off to enjoy the woods. A scarier aspect is the sport of hunting still be available. Enough tree huggers want us all dead and we are looked at like murders but then they complain when they hit a deer with their car because...okay, Im rambling.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 29, 2015 11:52:41 GMT -5
I agree with the weapons and bait discussion. I watch the Buck Commander guys and Wild Game Nation crew and notice more and more they use crossbows over feeders or bait piles. 20 yard shots and its done...BIG EXCITEMENT! (sarcasm). Yes there is error to be had in the cross bow but if I don't anchor my Matthews right on a 30 yard shot I could injure or completely miss. The crossbow has brought new hunters into the woods and seems they don't have the same learning curve experienced by others that have been hunting for 10 years or so. IDK, I look at the Drury's and see them explain weather patters, bedding, pinch points all of the standard information I use to hunt. Does it help? Of course! Do we all have the time though to spend away from our families walking properties and gathering the information? These guys do it for their job. I think most of us are weekend warrior when we get time off to enjoy the woods. A scarier aspect is the sport of hunting still be available. Enough tree huggers want us all dead and we are looked at like murders but then they complain when they hit a deer with their car because...okay, Im rambling. We like to see people who don't post often ramble. The regular posters already know how we feel about most things. Ramble on urbanguy |
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Post by bowonlykindofguy1 on Sept 29, 2015 11:55:09 GMT -5
give me a faint trail from the thickest cover you have. over that heavily used trail entering a field any day
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 29, 2015 12:22:16 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before?
I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy.
Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that.
Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing.
No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends.
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Post by salt on Sept 29, 2015 12:24:58 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before? I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy. Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that. Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing. No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends. Excellent post! |
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Sept 29, 2015 12:35:15 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before? I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy. Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that. Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing. No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends. I'm with you. I think it's called evolution. I bet the cave men would be thinking that we're nothing but a bunch of babies for using anything more than a rock, club, or spear. Just because something is the old way of doing it, doesn't make it better. The days are over for walking until your hearts content to try to find your quarry, Now you will be arrested for trespassing. To each his own. Hunt in whatever manor you choose legally... |
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Post by onebentarrow on Sept 29, 2015 12:38:23 GMT -5
Probbly,but thank God for tree.stands and farm fields .because I am getting to old to stalk like u think I should. I spent my time standing on a 10 in limb 16 feet up a tree when I was young and dumb. Now I can not do it. I struggle just to get a tree stand up. I do not and never have been in a situation where I could hunt a "big" woods with all "natural" food. Wish I could have. I still know my trees by the bark and leaves,the weeds and some fungus. I use all these during the season to my advantage. Just like the treestand and the crossbow, I use them to my advantage. Could I get along without them? Sure I could. Would I kill as meny deer? I like to think I would. Does it matter? No. I am not gona starve if I do not kill a deer.even tho baiting,food plot's and treestands are not the hunting of old (standing in the woods in a plad wool jacket or tracking deer in snow) you still have to do your part. The deer did not quit using their nose,ears or eyes just because they found a pile of corn on the ground and I have never seen one jump in front of a bullet that was not on mark just to make me feel good. If I had the access and the knoladge of the Land I would have liked to do some things different but I did not so I dont. With so meny things Vieing for our time.ie work, kids, wife,cousins wedding, yard work,holloween, ete,etc it is not hard to see why a NON DIEHARD hunter would want an ease and quicker sucess from a hunt. Is it my right to denigh him that satisfaction and happynes because it is not how I would do it? I do not think so. As long as it was a legal hunt and a quick humane kill more power to him.
Onebentarrow
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 29, 2015 12:56:22 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before? I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy. Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that. Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing. No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends. Intentionally spilled....HECK NO. And this "accident" happens a lot, bunch of BS for those that do it. Honest to God mistake spill, sure I may hunt routes leading to it or from it, but not sure though as never been in that position. |
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Post by jjas on Sept 29, 2015 12:57:13 GMT -5
When I first started deer hunting, you searched for sign and tried to figure out why and when the deer were traveling the way they were. Not knowing if the buck's antlers would match the tracks or rubs you had found was part of the excitement of deer hunting to me.
Now people hang cameras and check them periodically and/or wait for their phones to ring with "real time" images to not only see when/where the deer come through, but what deer come through and if he should be on their "hit list"....
Some would say it's a smarter way to scout, some would say that it's a lazy way to scout and still others would say it's not really fair chase....
I guess it all depends upon your prospective....
Personally I think cameras (especially "real time" cameras) should only be allowed in the woods before or after the deer season.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 29, 2015 13:00:49 GMT -5
I hope rico is reading all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 13:04:37 GMT -5
Different situations require different skill sets. There is skill involved in most styles of hunting, just different skills. The main skills required to kill a deer remain the same throughout. You have to be able to stay undetected, prepare yourself for a lethal shot, and deliver the lethal shot at the right moment. Then, in many cases, the woodsmanship skills will be required to track the animal. I don't worry too much about how people choose to hunt as long as it is legal.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 29, 2015 13:05:43 GMT -5
On top of all of this, I don't see much difference in hiring a guide than shooting a penned deer.
I'm still happy for the busy rich guy who gets to hunt with a guide or a 15K pinned deer. He's busy because he's creating jobs for someone else or saving someone's life. On the other hand, some people just need to be put in a pen and hunted, but that's another story.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 29, 2015 14:34:41 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before? I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy. Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that. Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing. No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends. Intentionally spilled....HECK NO. And this "accident" happens a lot, bunch of BS for those that do it. Honest to God mistake spill, sure I may hunt routes leading to it or from it, but not sure though as never been in that position. See its all how each person looks at it. I promise you there is other people that say a pile of corn is a pile of corn. |
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 29, 2015 15:25:44 GMT -5
To be honest knowing my relationship with the local CO's I'd just shoot them a text or email asking for advice on whether or not I'd be crossing any chance of illegal activity. I got faith in my woodsmanship ability though to depend on scouting and stand placements anyhow.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 29, 2015 16:16:04 GMT -5
Would anyone on here shoot a 180 inch buck from a tree stand that's walk the edge of the field headed to that small pile of spilled grain the farmer dumped the night before? I would. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, crossbow. And be headed to the taxidermy. Times have changed so much. Why do we have to always be trying to look better than the guy next to you. Or look down on him for this or that. Most all on here know I race Sprint cars. It's the same with it. In the old days before the cages was on them. Or the wide tires. Or adjustable shocks. Or bigger motors. That was racing. No it was just racing then, it was just hunting then. Times have just changed. We need to enjoy it. Have fun with family and friends. Intentionally spilled....HECK NO. And this "accident" happens a lot, bunch of BS for those that do it. Honest to God mistake spill, sure I may hunt routes leading to it or from it, but not sure though as never been in that position. I planned to, but the neighbor had 14 feeder calves get out. They vacuumed all of the spill up and wiped out all the standing corn next to my son's stand.... :-) next time I'm keeping a cow. |
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