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Post by drs on May 20, 2015 4:04:16 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not necessary harvesting a Whitetail Deer at ranges beyond the realm of a shotgun slug. But rather I believe the fine folks here just want a " legal Choice" of using a weapon, for Deer Hunting, be it a: Shotgun with a rifled barrel, Muzzle Loader, Pistol, PCR, or High Powered rifle.
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Post by thecommissioner on May 20, 2015 11:29:14 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not for me. Just another chance to use a different hunting tool...and a reason to buy another gun.. Woody nails the opportunity cost of not changing the rule. There's no question that allowing HPR's for deer would have sparked a buying spree of new rifles, ammo (for both bench and field), and scopes. That's a DIRECT economic benefit to the State's businesses and tax collections. Indirect benefits might have included getting more people involved in the sport and associated spending on things other than arms and ammo. Politicians always talk about creating jobs and generating economic activity. Here was an easy way of doing it and they sat on their hands instead.
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Post by thecommissioner on May 20, 2015 11:39:47 GMT -5
Is it safe to say that most are looking to be able to harvest whitetails at a greater distance is the biggest reason or having multiple options of weapons to use? Not necessary harvesting a Whitetail Deer at ranges beyond the realm of a shotgun slug. But rather I believe the fine folks here just want a " legal Choice" of using a weapon, for Deer Hunting, be it a: Shotgun with a rifled barrel, Muzzle Loader, Pistol, PCR, or High Powered rifle. My ego doesn't permit me to include myself as one of the "fine folks here" so my interest might be different. As I get older, I want a weapon that affords me the highest potential of an ethical kill without much recoil. How to get an ethical kill? Lots of practice at the range. Unfortunately, lots of practice with my 12 gauge rifled slug guns is painful and expensive. Those sabot rounds are upwards of $2 per trigger pull. Where else would I spend my precious dollars on an activity that leaves me with a sore shoulder? Shotguns and rifled slugs are a part of my past. Time to move on to a better way of dropping the deer.
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Post by tynimiller on May 20, 2015 13:02:53 GMT -5
Not necessary harvesting a Whitetail Deer at ranges beyond the realm of a shotgun slug. But rather I believe the fine folks here just want a " legal Choice" of using a weapon, for Deer Hunting, be it a: Shotgun with a rifled barrel, Muzzle Loader, Pistol, PCR, or High Powered rifle. My ego doesn't permit me to include myself as one of the "fine folks here" so my interest might be different. As I get older, I want a weapon that affords me the highest potential of an ethical kill without much recoil. How to get an ethical kill? Lots of practice at the range. Unfortunately, lots of practice with my 12 gauge rifled slug guns is painful and expensive. Those sabot rounds are upwards of $2 per trigger pull. Where else would I spend my precious dollars on an activity that leaves me with a sore shoulder? Shotguns and rifled slugs are a part of my past. Time to move on to a better way of dropping the deer. Get a good .357 rifle (Ruger makes an awesome bolt) or a Savage 20 gauge. Both cheaper options and easy on the shoulder...and very lethal still. That is until they pass the HPRs
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Post by Gunsafe on May 31, 2015 20:40:26 GMT -5
Indiana's Dnr has let alot of people down on this subject on legalization of hpr for deer hunting .
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 31, 2015 22:36:53 GMT -5
I have a nice Savage 220 camo. The recoil isn't bad; it's fun to shoot and very accurate for me. I need nothing more than this, but I'd love to have more options and more good reasons to buy.
I have only two buck, but each were shot with a different weapon. I liked this! Each provided a different experience, and memory. I will always remember this last little buck as the first one I harvested with my 220. It will be special to me for this reason. I want more memories like this.
If I hunt for food alone; I don't care which weapon I use. To hunt for a memory, I'd like to use as many different weapons as possible.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 1, 2015 5:30:21 GMT -5
For me it's all about freedom of choice. I'm all about simplification and less government intrusion in our lives. I would be happy with two "deer seasons" and use what you want when you want. The herd numbers is supposedly controlled by bag limits so why do we need 5 "deer seasons" when 4 of them are basically the same thing. but then that's another thread /endthreadjack.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jun 1, 2015 6:46:05 GMT -5
For me it's all about freedom of choice. I'm all about simplification and less government intrusion in our lives. I would be happy with two "deer seasons" and use what you want when you want. The herd numbers is supposedly controlled by bag limits so why do we need 5 "deer seasons" when 4 of them are basically the same thing. but then that's another thread /endthreadjack. if there were no gooberment intrusion, we would have no deer to hunt. Unfortunately, too many are unable to regulate themselves. It is called a necessary evil, only needed to prevent hunting anarchy.
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Post by onebentarrow on Jun 1, 2015 8:45:12 GMT -5
Who needs an hpr? 45 cal smokeless muzzeloader,2800-3000 fps.1/2 in groups at 100 yds. Got to 500 if you can shoot it well.
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Post by swilk on Jun 1, 2015 8:50:02 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by deadeer on Jun 1, 2015 10:32:00 GMT -5
Who needs an hpr? 45 cal smokeless muzzeloader,2800-3000 fps.1/2 in groups at 100 yds. Got to 500 if you can shoot it well. Yeah brother! Got two PacNor 45's on my Savage and Rem700 myself. Only thing ever lacking is quick follow up shots if more than one deer present themselves at a time. Rarely do deer hang around after the first shot with these guns though. Great looking guns BTW. Jay
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Post by drs on Jun 1, 2015 12:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by onebentarrow on Jun 1, 2015 14:03:11 GMT -5
Who needs an hpr? 45 cal smokeless muzzeloader,2800-3000 fps.1/2 in groups at 100 yds. Got to 500 if you can shoot it well. Yeah brother! Got two PacNor 45's on my Savage and Rem700 myself. Only thing ever lacking is quick follow up shots if more than one deer present themselves at a time. Rarely do deer hang around after the first shot with these guns though. Great looking guns BTW. Jay Thank you for the admiration on the guns. They do make a bullet scream don't they
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Post by throbak on Jun 1, 2015 17:03:38 GMT -5
They made a lot pleased with the decision to dump it also
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 1, 2015 17:25:18 GMT -5
For me there are 4 pros that stand out...
1) Cheaper ammo. Because my Rem 870 12ga with a Mossberg rifled barrel is only accurate shooting Rem AccuTips which cost $3 per shell. Heck, even my .300 win mag rounds cost less than 1/2 that!
2) Less weight. My HPR hunting rifle weighs less than my Rem 870.
3) Better accuracy. Shotgun slugs, saboted or not, even fired out of rifled barrels just aren't as accurate as HPR rounds.
4) Cost of the gun itself is cheaper, comparatively. Last year's black Friday sale you could get a brand new scoped Remington .308 bolt action rifle for about $200 from a local retailer. I've probably got $500 wrapped up into my 870 with everything I've done to it and put onto it to make it is accurate as it is (which still isn't as good as a .308 rifle). I believe this is the case with any shotgun. You're going to pay, on average, twice as much for an accurate shotgun with a rifled barrel as you would for an entry-level bolt action HPR that is more accurate than the shotgun, out-of-the-box.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 1, 2015 18:41:56 GMT -5
For me it's all about freedom of choice. I'm all about simplification and less government intrusion in our lives. I would be happy with two "deer seasons" and use what you want when you want. The herd numbers is supposedly controlled by bag limits so why do we need 5 "deer seasons" when 4 of them are basically the same thing. but then that's another thread /endthreadjack. if there were no gooberment intrusion, we would have no deer to hunt. Unfortunately, too many are unable to regulate themselves. It is called a necessary evil, only needed to prevent hunting anarchy. I didn't say any, none whatsoever etc government intrusion, I said less. Fortunately or unfortunately {however you wish to view it} we will always have some. We all enjoy having some government intrusion in our lives. We could live with a little less government intrusion into our deer season with very little changing except folks having a few more options and a little more freedom to choose without devastating the deer herd or hunting anarchy as you call it. For people to complain about HPRs for deer hunting while not complaining about HPRs for any other hunting is disingenuous and in a way disgusting. It is very telling the real reason is more about control than concern about the deer herd, harvest numbers or hunting anarchy. Well, there might be a little concern for the deer herd but that concern would more about antlers than the actual deer herd or harvest numbers. If safety was a real concern then those same people would be concerned about ricocheting slugs.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 1, 2015 18:44:30 GMT -5
Lol.....SMH
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 2, 2015 8:06:44 GMT -5
For me there are 4 pros that stand out... 1) Cheaper ammo. Because my Rem 870 12ga with a Mossberg rifled barrel is only accurate shooting Rem AccuTips which cost $3 per shell. Heck, even my .300 win mag rounds cost less than 1/2 that! 2) Less weight. My HPR hunting rifle weighs less than my Rem 870. 3) Better accuracy. Shotgun slugs, saboted or not, even fired out of rifled barrels just aren't as accurate as HPR rounds. 4) Cost of the gun itself is cheaper, comparatively. Last year's black Friday sale you could get a brand new scoped Remington .308 bolt action rifle for about $200 from a local retailer. I've probably got $500 wrapped up into my 870 with everything I've done to it and put onto it to make it is accurate as it is (which still isn't as good as a .308 rifle). I believe this is the case with any shotgun. You're going to pay, on average, twice as much for an accurate shotgun with a rifled barrel as you would for an entry-level bolt action HPR that is more accurate than the shotgun, out-of-the-box. All in what choice someone currently has though...compared to your 870 all is true...my T/C Impact ML however would have the opposite to say on all 4 counts. I hear you though, and as I've said shocked it didn't pass.
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 2, 2015 8:09:27 GMT -5
if there were no gooberment intrusion, we would have no deer to hunt. Unfortunately, too many are unable to regulate themselves. It is called a necessary evil, only needed to prevent hunting anarchy. I didn't say any, none whatsoever etc government intrusion, I said less. Fortunately or unfortunately {however you wish to view it} we will always have some. We all enjoy having some government intrusion in our lives. We could live with a little less government intrusion into our deer season with very little changing except folks having a few more options and a little more freedom to choose without devastating the deer herd or hunting anarchy as you call it. For people to complain about HPRs for deer hunting while not complaining about HPRs for any other hunting is disingenuous and in a way disgusting. It is very telling the real reason is more about control than concern about the deer herd, harvest numbers or hunting anarchy. Well, there might be a little concern for the deer herd but that concern would more about antlers than the actual deer herd or harvest numbers. If safety was a real concern then those same people would be concerned about ricocheting slugs. This last line there is a ton of truth to. I personally wasn't for them but didn't fight them...however I never allowed the safety discussion to be an issue for me, because a firearm of [nearly] any kind carries the same dangers. Do dangers upgrade "potentiall" with their style (ie semi-autos vs single shots) sure...but a gun is unsafe if mishandled no matter the style.
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 2, 2015 14:17:21 GMT -5
All in what choice someone currently has though...compared to your 870 all is true...my T/C Impact ML however would have the opposite to say on all 4 counts. I will agree that M/L's are a viable alternative, BUT only if you want something that basically only gives you a one shot chance and is a pain to unload without firing it.
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