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Post by chubwub on Jan 21, 2015 14:07:27 GMT -5
Oh Lord, don't get me started on why GMO's aren't the end of the world as we know it.
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Post by seindianahunter on Jan 21, 2015 14:23:39 GMT -5
I'm not saying that all GMO crops are 100% side effect free. Each type of GMO is modified in a different way. Some include genes from bacteria,some from other plants, etc. Many of the products that we have for direct human use and or consumption have had studies on them that suggest some very serious side effects (sweeteners, antibacterial compounds, etc.) as well. The question regarding consumption of GMO crops by deer, in my opinion, should be looked at as whether the crops present more of a risk than the alternatives of more dangerous herbicides and insecticides (which in my opinion, they do not). When a product is approved for use, regulatory agencies weight the cost vs the benefits. The simple truth is that to feed a growing world population that is eating more and more meat as their economic situations improve, we have to produce more grain. To achieve this we can either convert more and more habitat to crop production or we can find ways to increase yields, which includes GMOs.
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Post by throbak on Jan 21, 2015 20:46:31 GMT -5
Its hard to find seed that is not GNO but One farmer that sat in the same workshop I did Said he found some and Saved 6,000 dollars on his corn seed bill by not buying GMO for a pest we dont have anyway
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Post by chubwub on Jan 21, 2015 21:09:43 GMT -5
Yes, overconsumption of grain can lead to ruminants developing sub-clincal or full blown ruminal acidosis but what they have left out is that ruminants will actively seek to correct these deficits by seeking out long stem forages. Hence this is why ruminal acidosis is predominantly a feedlot problem where a ruminant's access to long stem forage is severely hampered. Dairy cattle also have many issues because they are fed a diet with a high dry matter level. You rarely see it in pastured animals unless you pen them up for a night and turn them loose on grain with an empty stomach.
If corn is truly an issue I would expect to see quite a few more deer in corn heavy areas running around exhibting symptoms of acidosis such as unthriftiness, loose stool and lethargy. You would also expect quite a few deer to have spotted livers, pulmonary oedema, necrotic kidneys and a whole host of other stuff that would even be noticeable to the untrained eye upon field dressing. It would take only 24 hours for animals to exhibit this pathology related to an death via ruminal acidosis. Have the biologists looked at the pathology of any deer at all to back up their stuff?
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 21, 2015 23:43:06 GMT -5
This thread wandered off a bit
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Post by hooterhunter on Jan 22, 2015 1:51:26 GMT -5
Couple things for educational purposes, there is a lot of misinformation and a lot of misunderstanding as most people are a couple generations removed from a farm. 1.)The purpose of Ag is to feed a growing world in a time of shrinking productive ground. Weeds and some bugs impact a crops productivity. 2.) GMO's have been proven safe, tested and approved for use, so have non GMO crops. I am neither for or against GMO crops, rather I see them as tool for our farmers to increase production to feed this growing world. 3.) non-GMO crops typically use more herbicides and pesticides to control bugs and weeds which rob yields; while GMO's 9 times out of 10 require less herbicide and pesticide use. This is because this technology protects the plant from bugs above ground and below, and gives the farmer a simpler way to control weeds, although this is becoming more difficult.
It is very easy to find seed that is non GMO. I ask you all to get to know a farmer and have these discussions vs a friend of a friend that heard something about a topic. I am always skeptical of website info because there is usually an agenda. I prefer to go to the source.
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Post by schall53 on Jan 23, 2015 10:47:30 GMT -5
Couple things for educational purposes, there is a lot of misinformation and a lot of misunderstanding as most people are a couple generations removed from a farm. 1.)The purpose of Ag is to feed a growing world in a time of shrinking productive ground. Weeds and some bugs impact a crops productivity. 2.) GMO's have been proven safe, tested and approved for use, so have non GMO crops. I am neither for or against GMO crops, rather I see them as tool for our farmers to increase production to feed this growing world. 3.) non-GMO crops typically use more herbicides and pesticides to control bugs and weeds which rob yields; while GMO's 9 times out of 10 require less herbicide and pesticide use. This is because this technology protects the plant from bugs above ground and below, and gives the farmer a simpler way to control weeds, although this is becoming more difficult. It is very easy to find seed that is non GMO. I ask you all to get to know a farmer and have these discussions vs a friend of a friend that heard something about a topic. I am always skeptical of website info because there is usually an agenda. I prefer to go to the source. I am in total agreement.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 23, 2015 10:59:14 GMT -5
I forage farm. (HAY) between 4000-5000 square bale's yr. Sell alot of my hay to race horse stable's. I have researched roundup ready alfalfa and will not use it. All my stable client's request non roundup alfalfa. I have horse's and raise beef cow's for my family and I use non GMO grain's when I can get it for them as well.
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2015 15:55:46 GMT -5
I read the link and the immediate question is was the diet that was fed strictly that one thing? Lets face it, just about everything out there is bad for you in one way or another if that's the only thing that is eaten. Heck, even too much water will kill ya. Take the sheep for instance. There was no mention if sheep that grazed in the same manner and frequency in non-GMO cotton fields had the same problem or not....
I've had the numbers/statistics game played on me enough times in different things to know that the results can be made to say just about whatever you want them to say, depending on what side of the fence you are standing on.
I get that the horse people want non GMO alfalfa. At least they tell you ahead of time so you can make sure what seeds you plant next time you need to re-seed. But with the pesticide side effects, my gut is telling me for the area where the crops are grown, GMO is better. Away from where the crops are grown? Maybe non-GMO is better. But, how to balance the two? Does the price that is paid for non-GMO crops offset the increased price of seed, or is the $$ made back by not having to apply as many or as expensive pesticides/herbicides? (You better figure in labor wages, diesel prices and equipment maintenance in those figures too.)
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 29, 2015 13:10:56 GMT -5
Just pulled trail cam card I have out that cam is set over corn feeder and mineral lick. Lot's of pic's. Just about every critter out there. Deer, racoon's, bird's, turkey's, squirrl's and even 1 pic of a BOBCAT walking by. Couple buck's have shed some still sporting rack's. But feeder is getting a lot of action. In 10 days over 900 pic's.
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