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Post by subzero350 on Dec 17, 2014 17:03:06 GMT -5
If HPR bill passes will it have a dramatic effect in regard's to harvest number's?? I doubt it. Will there be a big surge in number's of new hunter's?? I doubt it. If it passes, it will allow me to use a weapon that shoots much cheaper ammo (that is also more accurate) than what I am using now.
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Post by swilk on Dec 17, 2014 17:12:07 GMT -5
Doubt there is much cheaper than 357M and that is currently legal...
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Post by swilk on Dec 17, 2014 17:13:50 GMT -5
How much are plain ol slugs now? Under a buck each still?
A person can shoot an inline mz for under a buck a shot too.....
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 17, 2014 17:30:43 GMT -5
I have to disagree. The areas where the longer-range HPR's have been allowed in other states are areas with more hills and with fewer people per square mile, whether we are speaking of entire states or portions of states... If used correctly, longer range rifles are and have been used in the state for many years for varmints and practice, primarily by the more dedicated enthusiasts who shoot regularly and are more aware of the range of their weaponry and it's danger to anyone a mile or more away if shot in an inappropriate direction. I do recall hearing some of even those dedicated and aware individuals chatting about making crows disappear in a puff of feathers when they were seen sitting on a high limb.....at 300 yards. I'm confused. You first basically make the statement that allowing HPRs for use in "flat" Indiana would be unsafe, but then you counter that yourself by saying they are perfectly safe when being used by responsible hunters here in "flat" Indiana... Which is true? If HPRs are unsafe to use in "flat" Indiana, then why are they allowed for ANY hunting here at all??? Ok, so what you're basically saying is that the only guns 200,000 Indiana deer hunters have ever shot were shotguns and possibly muzzleloaders. And if HPR's are made legal, all of a sudden all of those 200,000 hunters, who it sounds like you assume have only ever fired shotguns and muzzleloaders, are ALL going to go out and buy HPRs and have no idea how to use them safely? 1) Where's the proof that ALL 200,000 Indiana deer hunters are going to hunt with an HPR if they are made legal? 2) And where's the proof that all 200,000 Indiana deer hunters have no idea how to use a HPR safely? Sounds like you are making some pretty big assumptions. Did you hear about the Amish girl in Ohio that was killed a couple of years ago by a muzzleloader bullet fired from 1.5 miles away by a guy just "unloading it before he was going to clean it"? I posted that news story on this forum in a couple of different threads if you haven't seen it. That story proves a muzzleloader can kill from over a mile away. Should we ban them for hunting use in this state because some idiot was careless and because they are clearly lethal at a very long-range? Or do you have a specific idea of a maximum lethal range we should be considering for legal hunting equipment in Indiana? Sounds like you are making many of the same arguments as the gun-grabbers do, which you should know well being a lifetime NRA member. You are basically telling everyone that "you don't NEED this firearm or that firearm" for hunting deer and that we should just be happy with what we have now. With all due respect, who made you king and gave you the authority to decide what I or anyone else "needs" when it comes to what types of tools we can use to hunt with? Are you next going to tell me I don't need a 400hp engine in my car either?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2014 17:30:49 GMT -5
I hunted with a muzzleloader this year.
50 cents for two Triple 7 pellets 75 cents for a Shockwave bullet/sabot Whatever a 100-round box of T/C #209 primers were, divided by 100. Probably a nickel apiece.
Probably $1.30 per shot.
12-gauge sabot slugs can run $2+ though.
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Post by swilk on Dec 17, 2014 17:35:36 GMT -5
You could easily get that mz price down if ya wanted to....
Bulk pistol bullets, loose powder.....
I've seen sabots as high as $5 each. Foster type used to be about $3 a box for Remington sluggers.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2014 17:39:08 GMT -5
You could easily get that mz price down if ya wanted to.... Bulk pistol bullets, loose powder..... Yeah, I just hit up the local Wal-Mart when necessary. LOL! I still haven't ran through what I originally bought when I first got the Omega. Years ago, I simply bought a bag of .50 cal sabots and a box of Hornady 240-grain .44 Mag bullets at the local gunshop before they closed.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2014 17:42:23 GMT -5
I hunted with a muzzleloader this year. 50 cents for two Triple 7 pellets 75 cents for a Shockwave bullet/sabot Whatever a 100-round box of T/C #209 primers were, divided by 100. Probably a nickel apiece. Probably $1.30 per shot. 12-gauge sabot slugs can run $2+ though. My $20 ( $30 if I have a lighted nock on it ) crossbow arrow can be shot over and over and over again.... unlimited basically.. biggrin2 I'm still shooting 55 cent .44 Mags. I stocked up before the rush...
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2014 17:43:25 GMT -5
BTW - For turkey hunting my "Bad Boy" Nitro shells cost $7 each...
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 17, 2014 17:46:17 GMT -5
I hunted with a muzzleloader this year. 50 cents for two Triple 7 pellets 75 cents for a Shockwave bullet/sabot Whatever a 100-round box of T/C #209 primers were, divided by 100. Probably a nickel apiece. Probably $1.30 per shot. 12-gauge sabot slugs can run $2+ though. My dad just bought a Remington 770 Bolt-Action rifle chambered in .308 for $200 (after rebate) - black Friday special. .308 "soft point" cartridges cost around $0.50 each, give or take a few pennies.
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 17, 2014 17:59:40 GMT -5
BTW - For turkey hunting my Bad Boy shells cost $7 each... FYI Woody I have several local hunters who swear by my 2/4 in 12 ga. shot shells for The big bird .I load up a 1.25 or 1.5 oz of hard lead 4s with a mix of 5 shot .The last guy to bust a bird did so at about 40 yards He said it was flipped and flapped on the spot .The head and neck was fairly ventilated .The nice thing about loading shot shells is that you tweak them to the gun many guns even shot guns are finicky I get them loaded for less than a buck a piece .. I also reload my own Big gun and pistol cartridges and a couple pistol loads 357 and 44 mag .My best deer load in 44 mag has a 240 hp being pushed down the BBL at just under max load by a grain or so .I also loaded a few hundred of that round into Knight sabots I bought in bulk pack a few years back For my ML.Puts the game straight down . Nothing better than a good Home grown shell or bullet IMHO several of the guys now reload their own it pays off .. in money and amount of rounds they get per $1 spent. I think many don't realize that on the cheap don't mean not top quality or hard to beat by any manufactured Bullet co. The only one I buy is Hybrid sabots made by Litefeild for my 12 and 20 ga bolt guns .FYI I retired the 12 ga and it was the best move I made less recoil and still over 2000 Ft LBS of knock down they recoil so much easier and the deer have not seemed to go any farther or bleed any less .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 18:04:00 GMT -5
How much does the reloading gear cost?
Id probably never shoot enough to make up the cost...
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Post by sakorifle on Dec 17, 2014 18:52:44 GMT -5
greetings Interesting, but i am saying nothing this time round. lol
Meta, over here loading gear varies a lot by brand, lee is always cheaper than rcbs equipment but lee des the same and makes a good job of it. Cost savings are just a part of why one loads, the drive for me is to get a load that gives the best accuracy from my rifles. Also reloading is a hobby and an interest all on its own and one will learn a lot about ballistics, range etc from studying the subject, it will certainly destroy a lot of myths. And lastly one gets a bit of pleasure from components you have made, working as they should when your medal head buck drops on the spot, very much the same as a person who ties his own flies to fly fish or makes his own arrows. just my thoughts try, it if given the chance it is very interesting. regards to you and family Billy
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 17, 2014 19:27:59 GMT -5
How much does the reloading gear cost? Id probably never shoot enough to make up the cost... actually when you reload you shoot more lots more as a rule of thumb and its not real expensive to get into ... You can buy a Lee load all 2 to load shot shells and all you need to do it for $100.00 or little more .Thats for a start . a couple hundred for basic PCR or HPR press and basic equipment .Look a t gun shops and shows for good used equipment cheap .
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Post by GS1 on Dec 17, 2014 20:26:34 GMT -5
BTW - For turkey hunting my "Bad Boy" Nitro shells cost $7 each... Not to highjack this thread with something more important, like turkey loads, but those shells must be a couple of years old Woody? I'm sure the 15 I bought last spring were more than that and you don't want to know how much the shells my son and I Re going to shoot next spring cost.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 17, 2014 21:29:21 GMT -5
So I finally read the article that this thread is about. I think I will give it a solid B. There are several more points to both sides of the debate, but there is one big point that I believe truly belongs in there. The very same rounds that the proposed rifles shoot are already legal and have been in the Indiana deer woods for over a quarter century. That tiny fact alone could be enough to change the uneducated persons opinion on the matter.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 17, 2014 21:41:40 GMT -5
So I finally read the article that this thread is about. I think I will give it a solid B. There are several more points to both sides of the debate, but there is one big point that I believe truly belongs in there. The very same rounds that the proposed rifles shoot are already legal and have been in the Indiana deer woods for over a quarter century. That tiny fact alone could be enough to change the uneducated persons opinion on the matter. That's true but the article doesn't spell out or explain that!! Actually is says the handgun rounds are banned....
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2014 21:46:19 GMT -5
BTW - For turkey hunting my "Bad Boy" Nitro shells cost $7 each... Not to highjack this thread with something more important, like turkey loads, but those shells must be a couple of years old Woody? I'm sure the 15 I bought last spring were more than that and you don't want to know how much the shells my son and I Re going to shoot next spring cost. I don't shoot as many shells as you do for sure. Maybe three a year, so I have had them awhile.. One to make sure that the gun still shoots where it did last season and two for birds - hopefully..
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Post by steve46511 on Dec 17, 2014 23:36:43 GMT -5
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Post by steve46511 on Dec 18, 2014 0:03:43 GMT -5
I was waiting for that response. Lol! Yes, but we're not talking about a full-auto M16, are we? We're talking about a semi-auto clone that operates in the exact same manner as other semi-autos with their pretty wood stocks. Speaking of M16's, are you aware that they are legal for deer hunting right now in the appropriate calibers? Yep, full-auto. " FOR military use" MEANING....... they have been around in the military since then....... not in the public so when such was manufactured is not a "reason" to accept them as hunting rifles. If it was, the hand grenade has "been around" for centuries and centuries, so by your "logic" such should be accepted by the public too. Ive NO problem with something made initially for the military. A large part of our very popular cartridges came from such. One buys a semi - auto 5 shot shotgun expecting to use ......5 shots as fast as needed. One buys a singe shot rifle expecting to use one shot only. One buys a semi-auto rifle with a 20-30 round magazine expecting TO USE IT AS SUCH. As said, several times. The AR platform CAN be used the same as any rifle....BUT......... THERE IS NO REASON TO BUY A RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING MUILTIPLE SHOTS QUICKLY UNLESS EXPECTING TO DO SO. They are not more accurate They are not cheaper They are not in calibers not found otherwise They ARE bought to shoot multiple shots very quickly and this is the REASON the public has came out in droves to buy them for home defense, AGAIN.........BECAUSE of that capability. All one has to do is see how many rounds someone buys with one to know WHY they CHOSE that style of rifle. It IS the ONLY reason people buy them. Some can SAY they bought it for a hunting rifle, but since the rifle ADDS NOTHING in way of function , fit or capability to a hunt.........that is NOT the main reason they bought it. UNLESS.............they PLAN on using THAT FUNCTION out hunting. No People have not "accepted them". They were made for military and defense use and are bought TO SHOOT A LOT OF BULLETS......VERY QUICKLY. IF THAT IS NOT TRUE............then why not use a FIVE shot magazine??? I'm done. This is a moot discussion. People are going to buy what they want.AND.......like everything else done today in "hunting", they will USE SUCH to the extreme limit of the law......aka.....in semi auto, more than five shots at a time, again, because........that's why they were made, what they were made to do, and why people bought them. Will EVERYONE? No. Not everyone buying a Porsche 911 Turbo S is going to drive WAY over the speed limit but MOST will, they BOUGHT it BECAUSE IT WILL go almost 200 mph. No one was talking about the m-16, or anything full auto and no one gives a rats butt if someone made it "legal" somewhere. Who cares. Why people buy semi-auto rifles with 30 round magazines is a plain as the nose on your face and every person, hunting or not hunting knows it simply seeing it with the magazine stuck in it. Live in denial all you wish........that is the facts. No reason to bother quoting my post.......I'm not coming back to this discussion and am upset with myself that I let myself get in it again. The ONLY reason is because if anyone LOOKS, there is a great number of people who come to this site and read the forum..........that are not members. Amongst those readers that come here are young people that need to hear the facts and know that all they have to do is watch. Go to the gun range. If there is an AR platform rifle there.......before they leave RAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT WILL happen. It's the ONLY reason to buy one and yes, I may buy one myself because it's capabilities in HOME DEFENSE are fine indeed. A "hunting rifle".........it is not and offers no advantage to a hunter ( unless.....RAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT TAT is THEIR INTENTION of using it out hunting.) But that can't be true............you guys say so.
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