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Post by bigbuckd on Dec 4, 2014 14:28:34 GMT -5
I think most on this site would agree that a single picture of a large racked deer, any deer qualifying for P&Y or B&C, would qualify as a "trophy" as Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett have standards to be entered in to the books. There is a "trophy" standard.
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Post by dead-eye on Dec 4, 2014 15:22:00 GMT -5
IMO a outfitter didn't push local hunter's out of a place to hunt. Local hunter's seem to want FREE access to privately held hunting properties. I am sure the property owner would just assume lease to a local, then to a outsider. Problem is most don't want to PAY, they just want to hunt for free. as a "freeloader" that did lose not one, but two great spots as a result of this outfitter. I can say it's not that most don't want to pay it's more like most can't afford it. There is no possible way I can match what an outfitter would be willing to pay. We're not all as fortune as others might be. And some people actually do this just to put meat in their freezer. But with that being said I have no hard feelings towards camp kay outfitters. Mr Liebner is running a pretty legit outfitting business. They aren't using high fences or illegal tactics so I see no reason why the dnr shouldn't promote them. If you get a chance look at their Facebook page there are some outstanding bucks on there.
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 15:25:16 GMT -5
I think most on this site would agree that a single picture of a large racked deer, any deer qualifying for P&Y or B&C, would qualify as a "trophy" as Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett have standards to be entered in to the books. There is a "trophy" standard. I disagree ... to the point that I would not even call a 125" buck "large racked". See ... all depends on the person.
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Post by windingwinds on Dec 4, 2014 16:10:53 GMT -5
The DNR has posted several pictures of hunters with their "trophies". Not all have been huge and far as I can tell most are not from a outfitter hunt. District One's Facebook page is very active and I enjoy reading the posts. If people pay to hunt, then yes then there will be outfitters. I myself have paid quite dearly to keep our private property the past few years so that I can hunt it and it's only 20 acres. (Probably never be a booner here either to shoot not that I mind.) DNR promotes hunting, in other states that includes outfitters for out of state hunters, I see no difference here. Only thing is that our out of state tags are priced way too low.
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Post by bigbuckd on Dec 5, 2014 12:55:43 GMT -5
I think most on this site would agree that a single picture of a large racked deer, any deer qualifying for P&Y or B&C, would qualify as a "trophy" as Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett have standards to be entered in to the books. There is a "trophy" standard. I disagree ... to the point that I would not even call a 125" buck "large racked". See ... all depends on the person. Just because you do not recognize Pope & Young and Boone & Crockett standards as "trophy" does not mean that it is not the standard. Hunting is a sport. You are welcome to have your own standards but due to the fact that hunting is a sport there will be records and standards for "trophy" or "large racked" bucks. Pope & Young and Boone & Crockett set the standards for the sport and that information is held by participants of the sport as the "trophy" standard. You are welcome to define your own trophy. Every deer I choose to harvest is a trophy to me of some consequence. However to argue there is not a "trophy" standard for large racked deer is ignorance of the sport of hunting which we participate.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 13:20:15 GMT -5
lol ... ignorance?
The point that I was making completely escapes your grasp and you call me ignorant?
Just let me know if we get to play that game ... ill be happy to comply. Until then I might suggest going back and trying really hard to understand the point I was attempting to make with you. If you have questions ... and it seems more than likely you will ... please feel free to ask.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 13:22:48 GMT -5
Aside from that .... your argument is that you dont think that the Indiana DNR should ever post a buck with 125", or more, of net scoring antler on its head?
Good luck with that one.
But even that changes ....
By your own admission, every deer you kill is a trophy to you (which, here is a hint, was part of my point all along) so you dont think the DNR should have a picture of any deer on their page. Ever.
You say no pictures of trophy deer.
You say all deer are trophies.
Ergo ... no pictures of any deer.
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Post by esshup on Dec 6, 2014 9:44:51 GMT -5
The DNR has posted several pictures of hunters with their "trophies". Not all have been huge and far as I can tell most are not from a outfitter hunt. District One's Facebook page is very active and I enjoy reading the posts. If people pay to hunt, then yes then there will be outfitters. I myself have paid quite dearly to keep our private property the past few years so that I can hunt it and it's only 20 acres. (Probably never be a booner here either to shoot not that I mind.) DNR promotes hunting, in other states that includes outfitters for out of state hunters, I see no difference here. Only thing is that our out of state tags are priced way too low. I disagree about the "too low" comment. I just had 2 friends from Va. inquire about coming to visit and hunt Spring Gobblers at the same time. At $120 per gobbler tag, they quickly decided that there was no way in he.. that they were paying that much for the tags, so they aren't coming. Sure, they'd be staying in this house and not a hotel, but the state is losing some income from them not visiting. Fuel tax, sales tax on what they purchase, etc. I don't think I'd be coming to Indiana to hunt gobblers for that price, and while I pay $150 for a non-resident deer tag in Wi. there seems to be more public ground to hunt there than here in Indiana. Since I own land here and have enough private land to hunt on, I haven't needed public land to deer hunt on. But, in Wi. you can also hunt on private land without asking permission IF it's Forest Cropland that is managed by the DNR. One provision of having the DNR manage your forest for no cost is that you allow it to be open to hunting. So, that opens up a lot of land there that possibly would not be open to hunting. If the deer tags cost much more than that, I'd not make the trip to Wi.
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Post by indybassin on Dec 6, 2014 10:26:04 GMT -5
oh look, something else for hunters to argue about.... SQUIRREL!!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2014 10:45:32 GMT -5
oh look, something else for hunters to argue about.... SQUIRREL!!!! LOL.... I like to look at shiny objects better than SQUIRREL!!!!
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Post by bigbuckd on Dec 8, 2014 10:40:56 GMT -5
No doubt. I am not on this sight to argue. I digress. Unloading and laying down my argument. It's all you brother. I got nothing but love for those that I share this sport and passion of hunting. Peace, I am out.
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