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Post by schall53 on Nov 7, 2014 9:08:51 GMT -5
My advice is to not cut corners. Put the best combination together that you can afford. All you need to do is put a substandard sighting system together and make a bad hit on a deer and lose it. You will be kicking yourself for a long time, granted this is the worst case scenario, it can happen. I always use the best I can afford for just that reason.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 7, 2014 9:17:58 GMT -5
My advice is to not cut corners. Put the best combination together that you can afford. All you need to do is put a substandard sighting system together and make a bad hit on a deer and lose it. You will be kicking yourself for a long time, granted this is the worst case scenario, it can happen. I always use the best I can afford for just that reason. ^^^^ THIS If one wants a dual purpose shotgun go with a rifled cantilever barrel and a good scope and still have the original barrel for other game.... |
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 7, 2014 10:09:01 GMT -5
My advice is to not cut corners. Put the best combination together that you can afford. All you need to do is put a substandard sighting system together and make a bad hit on a deer and lose it. You will be kicking yourself for a long time, granted this is the worst case scenario, it can happen. I always use the best I can afford for just that reason. I agree with not going cheap. I also like the idea of if you are going to shell out some coin then consider an inline and the you have a 2 season gun. Option A (small investment):stay with the 870, go with the TruGlo's and the rifled tube. (still a reasonable gun) Option B (larger investment): pick up an inline. TC impacts are what, a shade over $250 or so? |
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Post by mstr2175 on Nov 7, 2014 10:20:00 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, I am hearing mixed suggestions and opinions all around, but what I do know now is I have a $150 limit to spend on my upgrades. Ultimately, I would like to get the rifled cantilever barrel with scope, but those run for $250. At that price I could buy a new 44 mag hand rifle or muzzleloader as mentioned before. I found a guy on Armslist with that barrel set up, minus the scope for $120, but he is being flaky every time I want to arrange a meet. The rifled choke and magnetic sights sounds like the cheapest route, but I don't want to just go with the cheapest option. I want something that is reasonably priced and will make for a great deer gun for years to come.
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Post by huntingchick19 on Nov 7, 2014 10:35:19 GMT -5
if thats the case i would go with a muzzle loader. gives you a little bit more range is and is allowed firearms and muzzle loader season.
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Post by swilk on Nov 7, 2014 10:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 7, 2014 10:56:20 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, I am hearing mixed suggestions and opinions all around, but what I do know now is I have a $150 limit to spend on my upgrades. Ultimately, I would like to get the rifled cantilever barrel with scope, but those run for $250. At that price I could buy a new 44 mag hand rifle or muzzleloader as mentioned before. I found a guy on Armslist with that barrel set up, minus the scope for $120, but he is being flaky every time I want to arrange a meet. The rifled choke and magnetic sights sounds like the cheapest route, but I don't want to just go with the cheapest option. I want something that is reasonably priced and will make for a great deer gun for years to come. If you want one for years to come I would go with option A in my post and start saving your money. I believe HPR's are going to be in play for 2015. Assuming that happens save it up and pick up a used bolt gun for $250 -$300 and a couple of hundred bucks or so for glass (I know - I use more expensive glass than that but that will get something acceptable) and you will be GTG for a very long time. |
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Post by oldhoyt on Nov 7, 2014 11:24:57 GMT -5
Check around to see if you can get a good price on an open sighted, rifled barrel for your 870. That will be a legit 100 yd gun with sabot slugs. I'm shooting Federal Fusions this year, they run $(-$10 a box, about half price comparted to some sabots.
Just checked ebay, looks like plenty are available. The version made by Mossberg can be had for around $100. May find it cheaper somewhere else.
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Post by 36fan on Nov 7, 2014 12:40:02 GMT -5
I put something very similar to this on my 870 a couple of years ago to go turkey hunting with ... but I still haven't been able to go turkey hunting, yet. |
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Post by foamyflyer on Nov 7, 2014 13:50:17 GMT -5
I used the gobble dot sights on my 1100 last year. At the range I could hit a paper plate easily at 50 and 100 yds, but unfortunately I never got off a shot on a deer. Saved my money and moved to a 44 mag with a scope this year. |
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Post by subzero350 on Nov 7, 2014 14:30:02 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, I am hearing mixed suggestions and opinions all around, but what I do know now is I have a $150 limit to spend on my upgrades. Ultimately, I would like to get the rifled cantilever barrel with scope, but those run for $250. At that price I could buy a new 44 mag hand rifle or muzzleloader as mentioned before. I found a guy on Armslist with that barrel set up, minus the scope for $120, but he is being flaky every time I want to arrange a meet. The rifled choke and magnetic sights sounds like the cheapest route, but I don't want to just go with the cheapest option. I want something that is reasonably priced and will make for a great deer gun for years to come. Keep in mind if you buy a rifled barrel, it is going to require much more expensive ammo (saboted bullets). These typically run $10 or more for a box of 5. AND, different barrels only like to shoot specific shells accurately. The rifled barrel I put on my 870 only accurately shoots Remington Accutip Slugs and Federal Premium Saboted Slugs (both of which retail for over $14 for a box of 5). Everything else I tried (several different brands) peppered the paper at 50 yards with no consistency. But the Accutip and Federal slugs do provide small groups even out to 100 yards (maximum distance at the shooting range I go to). Rifled Slugs made for smoothbore shotguns are much cheaper, but they do offer less accuracy at longer distances (so keep that in mind). Federal sells a Truball Rifled Slug box of 5 for $5 or less, retail. Plus they usually offer rebates of up to $2 off per box right before hunting season. This year I was able to purchase these slugs in 20ga for $3.99 on sale at a local retailer, then submitted a rebate for $2 a box (max of $10 rebate per household). There are also rebates offered on the saboted shells. Again, you should probably evaluate what you are going to be doing with the gun. If all you are ever going to shoot out to are distances of 50 yards or less, then a smoothbore with rifled slugs will work fine for that. But if you want to be able to shoot further, then getting a rifled barrel would be the better choice. |
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Post by esshup on Nov 7, 2014 22:58:41 GMT -5
I think the best idea that was posted was get a ML. Who knows what next year will bring, and if HPR rifles are allowed, that's the route I'd go. If you buy a rifled barrel for it I don't know how often you'd be using it if HPR are approved, nor what it would be worth next year.
For this year, get the best ML you can afford without a scope. Put a scope on it next year. You're rapidly running out of time to spend enough time at the range to get to know the new gun too. The ML gives you the option of hunting with it for 2 seasons, "shotgun" and "ML".
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Post by stevein on Nov 8, 2014 7:41:50 GMT -5
I have an 870 Special Field with an I.C. barrel. I use a set of sights that clamp on the rib and it is a tack driver with Rem sluggers. I have mounted sights on a couple of Rem I.C. barrels and they all shot good.
BTW the ribs on rifles slugs are not to give the slug spin but to enable them to be shot through the tightest chokes. Stabilty comes from the hollow base.
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Post by mstr2175 on Nov 8, 2014 9:39:43 GMT -5
Thanks again fellas. I have been hesitant on what to do here. Never having shot a muzzleloader before was the only thing keeping me from going that option, but it makes the most sense. A friend of mine lives on a farm (it's actually William Shatners mother in laws farm)and as soon as the corn is harvested, we go out and trap shoot a TON...last year we were shooting around 300 clays a week so I wanted to keep my shotgun the way it was. I also found a 20 gauge shotgun my friend is letting me use for this season that has all the bells and whistles, it's ready to go. So this weekend I am headed out to go purchase a muzzleloader and hit the range. Come next year, I won't be making this mistake again.. I am excited to see if the HPR's will pass or not, when will we find this out? Either way, I am going to start stashing some money on the side for a nice rifle for next year. Happy Hunting everyone!
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Post by esshup on Nov 8, 2014 13:40:23 GMT -5
I think you made a wise decision. I've spent probably close to what the saboted barrels cost in ammo trying to figure out what shoots the best out of them. Not only what brand, but also what lot number. Then trying to find enough of that lot number to last a few years.....
I don't have that problem with a muzzleloader. Once you figure out what bullet and powder charge weight works, it usually works the same from year to year. They are cheaper to practice with compared to sabot slugs too. Less recoil (I think) too.
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 8, 2014 14:36:12 GMT -5
I have been hunting with a mz since 1978. Never killed a deer with a shot gun. They are cheaper to shoot use to have better accuracy than a shot gun at longer ranges less recoil can adjust loads for best pattern termendous amount of bullets and weights to choose from Only thing is the need to be CLEANED every time they are shot. I do not think u can go wrong with one. If u have any questions pm me i will answer all questions to the best of my knowledge and if I do not know answer I will tell u so
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Post by firstwd on Nov 8, 2014 19:35:53 GMT -5
Once you get into shooting the front stuffer, you might find that the money you are stashing away is for a higher end model instead of an hpr.
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Post by chasingtails on Nov 9, 2014 21:26:19 GMT -5
Made 100yard shot with a single bead sight. If you practice you should be able to hit a paper plate from 50-100yards no problem. I used a drag an pull, start by aiming down right of the target an drag it too it an pull the trigger. Works for me. I do like scopes tho but if I am hunting on the ground bead sight.
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Post by mstr2175 on Nov 14, 2014 10:02:37 GMT -5
So I bought the CVA Wolf this past weekend and shot it a few times. I love it! You might be right about that firstwd, it's possible ill be investing in a higher end muzzy next season. Just wondering what most of you that own a muzzle loader are shooting with? I bought some standard 250 grain sabot bullets using two-50 grain pellets (100 grain total). Been hearing a lot about these powerbelts. I am sticking with iron sights for now. Even right out of the box I was hitting targets at 50 yards consistently.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 14, 2014 10:22:05 GMT -5
I have Encore muzzleloaders in rifle and handgun configurations. I also have a CVA Buckhorn I picked up second hand to use as a loner, put a 3-9X Leupold Rifleman on it so I wouldn't be investing too much in the outfit. Guess what I have killed every muzzleloader deer I've ever harvested with.............!
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