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Post by practicalsportsman on Oct 4, 2014 20:56:42 GMT -5
Hey everyone hope the bow hunting is going well, anyway I have been recently writing letters to landowners that live out of the county or state about renting there property for farming, but the clincher is I am listening to a good friend of mine about the type of lease he uses. He was telling me that he only uses a whole farm lease for both cropland and woods for the specific reason of controlling who hunts the property and when due to crops and cattle. I figure I could do the same but I would be able to manage the number of deer taken by size of the property and it's carrying capacity. Am I wrong for doing this or is this a benefit to me the hunter(s) and the landowner, let me know what you think.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 4, 2014 20:58:59 GMT -5
pop2
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 5, 2014 5:50:23 GMT -5
Well the only way to control the carrying capacity of the deer is if the farm is huge, like a thousand acres.
I see deer on the farm by you that the guys on the 540 acres across the street see, so there is no way I can control anything.
Plus whole farm leasing would be very expensive with cropland going for upwards of 300 dollars an acre now.
I read where a guy lost his 189 acres of hunting because the farmers sold the land.... for 1.5 million , WOW.. what has happened to farm land ? how does someone recoop 1.5 million on 160 acres of farming (that is how much is farmable).
Farmers do not , In Indiana, have any rights to hunt or give permission to hunt unless they have it in their contract. So I"d pursue just the hunting rights, would be much cheaper.
Unless you the sub-lease the farmland to a farmer , which would have to be worked out in a contract.
Things could get messy quick.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 5, 2014 5:52:00 GMT -5
Plus, unless your there 24 hours a day your going to most likely have trespassers.
I have this problem down your way.. seems people do not respect property lines, sad.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 5, 2014 21:26:22 GMT -5
That kind of money sounds like a housing development.
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2014 5:31:08 GMT -5
That kind of money sounds like a housing development. Farm land is going for anywhere up to and including $12k per acre down around here. My mother in laws family recently sold 200 acres of seasonally flooded bottom ground for $7500 an acre. Higher ground in the same general area sold for $11k an acre last year. Rent is just as high.....
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Post by parrothead on Oct 6, 2014 5:51:02 GMT -5
I get 200 per acre cash rent. If someone wanted to pay me 200 an acre for the woods and fields I would be all over it. He must have more money than sense. First line of my contracts reads NO HUNTING. No farmer has ever had a problem with that.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 6, 2014 5:51:14 GMT -5
I get 200 per acre cash rent. If someone wanted to pay me 200 an acre for the woods and fields I would be all over it. He must have more money than sense. First line of my contracts reads NO HUNTING. No farmer has ever had a problem with that.
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 6, 2014 6:44:32 GMT -5
Well the only way to control the carrying capacity of the deer is if the farm is huge, like a thousand acres. I see deer on the farm by you that the guys on the 540 acres across the street see, so there is no way I can control anything. Plus whole farm leasing would be very expensive with cropland going for upwards of 300 dollars an acre now. I read where a guy lost his 189 acres of hunting because the farmers sold the land.... for 1.5 million , WOW.. what has happened to farm land ? how does someone recoop 1.5 million on 160 acres of farming (that is how much is farmable). Farmers do not , In Indiana, have any rights to hunt or give permission to hunt unless they have it in their contract. So I"d pursue just the hunting rights, would be much cheaper. Unless you the sub-lease the farmland to a farmer , which would have to be worked out in a contract. Things could get messy quick. A little higher than the "average" according to sites online concerning such but if good ground, not unbelievable. Supply and demand rules. We aren't making any more ground and the less there is to farm the higher it gets but "iffy" futures is also advising buying smart for the future years. This link shows the 2013 average farm ground price and another estimated the 2014 result to be $7,700 per acre. www.agprofessional.com/news/Purdue-cautions-land-buyers-on-farmland-value-shifts-245757041.htmlConsidering all averages have highs and lows calculated in, who can say what the most costly farm land sold for? The price paid above is within grasp of believing with these numbers in hand, however horrific it still sounds to me. I know of more than one farmer that sold the works that they had in the family for generations, split funds up between family members......and the entire FAMILY retire in recent years. An 80 acres parcel bought right out of high school would have been one HECK of a nest egg for retirement. God Bless
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 6, 2014 8:43:56 GMT -5
dup
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Post by practicalsportsman on Oct 7, 2014 0:51:45 GMT -5
I'm only renting ground for now, and I have been contacted by a couple land owners who don't mind me taking care of who goes on there property. Besides most of the land in my area is good for raising cattle which is a bonus.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 8, 2014 20:03:01 GMT -5
Did you write the guy that owns the land I hunt on a letter ? he got one today from someone on your road.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 10, 2014 19:52:59 GMT -5
bump.. I"d like to know if you wrote a letter to my landowner
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Oct 10, 2014 20:24:07 GMT -5
Practicalsportsman I sent you a pm with some info that may help
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 12, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -5
bump
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 15, 2014 19:17:51 GMT -5
bump
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 16, 2014 21:36:35 GMT -5
No, the landowner is one of my best friends. He has instructed his daughter, who will get the farm when he dies that I have hunting rights as long as I am alive or want to hunt.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 17, 2014 7:36:28 GMT -5
I've made some deletions in this thread. Keep it on topic and cease the personal stuff...
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Post by johnc911 on Oct 18, 2014 2:07:19 GMT -5
Lol I kind of knew that was coming Woody
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Post by hornzilla on Oct 18, 2014 7:25:51 GMT -5
No, the landowner is one of my best friends. He has instructed his daughter, who will get the farm when he dies that I have hunting rights as long as I am alive or want to hunt. I hope this works out for you. I was in the same situation. And when the land owner passed away so did my hunting rights. She would roll over in her grave if she knew I was no longer allowed to hunt the place. Enjoy the place while you can.
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