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Post by firstwd on Sept 21, 2014 19:43:32 GMT -5
Ok. I give in. I'll support a September 1 opening for archery, but I have stipulations. YOUTH only, and youth gun season runs for the last 10 days of the month.
Any takers with me?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 21, 2014 19:55:17 GMT -5
I don't think bow hunters need any more time. If any thing I think the youth season should be from September 15 till October 1 that way you don't only have 2 days to rush if the weather is bad or work stops you from taking them to enjoy learning about the traditions we learned and love so much. And that is just my 2 cents after raising 6 kids. This is an excellent idea, never fails the kids have games that weekend. Won't be going again this year. What happened to the youth weekend that was put on by this site for the kids this year? 1 weekend is a short window.. luckily there is 3+ months after youth season as well to get them out
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 21, 2014 20:02:13 GMT -5
I don't think bow hunters need any more time. If any thing I think the youth season should be from September 15 till October 1 that way you don't only have 2 days to rush if the weather is bad or work stops you from taking them to enjoy learning about the traditions we learned and love so much. And that is just my 2 cents after raising 6 kids. UMMMM sorry this will not be popular and that's ok it never is when you hit the nerves of some who will not admit the real reason they push something so hard .. But kids have far more than just "2" days to hunt as it is now!!They have exactly the same number or regular season days to hunt as every other hunter in this state and then they get two extra days on top of that sorry im not buying into they need more .What I will buy into is the fact that dads and who ever that insists that JR. hunts start giving up his or her days in the field just like all us who still have Kids that hunt that did not have a youth season ever to hunt in . I think parents who push for more "youth " hunting days are simply more worried about themselves hunting alone when its really season rather than the kids time in the woods .That way they don't give up hunts just to teach the kids or loose any days to hunt his or her own deer .LOL So kids have exactly 2 more days to hunt than any adult for deer .Its funny I asked my sons would they of rather just hunted early youth seasons and fair weather .Or rather deer hunt in regular deer season with all us old men ..What one do you supposed they would of rather done ? It wont be what you think it was .. They also said more than once they thought youth season was stupid "their" words not mine and that it was a lame excuse to take kids hunting so they don't have too later . /that was back right after they were out of high school..
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Post by firstwd on Sept 21, 2014 20:35:27 GMT -5
Personally, "my time" in the deer woods was centered around the Park hunts and the time I got to share with others I was fortunate enough to meet on previous hunts as well as making new friends to see again on future ones.
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Post by GS1 on Sept 21, 2014 20:44:19 GMT -5
Shouldernuke, did your kids not participate in the youth hunt then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:00:04 GMT -5
Some good responses. Everybody should always do whatever works best for them.
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Post by stanton21 on Sept 22, 2014 3:43:58 GMT -5
Why not have a fawn clubing season and realy back things up a bit.
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 22, 2014 5:27:42 GMT -5
Shouldernuke, did your kids not participate in the youth hunt then? No sir .The youth season took effect just after they were too old to participate in them .That said I and other very close hunting buddies have taken family friends kids and their own kids that were eligible .Funny thing was the kids that went when the old men went and participated in the excitement or regular bow camp and gun season have stayed heavily in to deer hunting .The pones who started out in the warm youth only season not so much when they were taken out at the younger age or in regular season after the youth season they were either cold or lost interest because it was not just all about the something they were used to I guess .Yes a few have stayed but not many .I asked one young man just last year that has hit the rip old age of 12 this year if he was hunting with us at deer camp this year .He said no way it was too cold and he would rather watch "Husker" football ..LOL go figure ..
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 22, 2014 6:13:20 GMT -5
October is soon enough for me!
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Sept 22, 2014 6:41:20 GMT -5
This is an excellent idea, never fails the kids have games that weekend. Won't be going again this year. What happened to the youth weekend that was put on by this site for the kids this year? 1 weekend is a short window.. luckily there is 3+ months after youth season as well to get them out Sure there is, but what is wrong with kids getting more time before the adults get in the woods?
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2014 6:49:02 GMT -5
1 weekend is a short window.. luckily there is 3+ months after youth season as well to get them out Sure there is, but what is wrong with kids getting more time before the adults get in the woods?Exactly; that's why the "but they have the same time as everyone else" argument doesn't fly with me. I like them having the woods to themselves for that time. (squirrel hunters, I know) If another weekend was ever added for them I'd rather see it on the back side than earlier. It's too early as it is.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 22, 2014 8:39:57 GMT -5
1 weekend is a short window.. luckily there is 3+ months after youth season as well to get them out Sure there is, but what is wrong with kids getting more time before the adults get in the woods? Nothing wrong with it, but I know guys that act like that's the only time they can take their kids deer hunting. Not saying that's the case with anyone here, just pointing out there is plenty of opportunity for kids to hunt already. About the kids getting the woods to themselves, I just don't see how hunting at the same time as adults puts kids at a disadvantage. It's already been stated in this thread (arguing against an earlier season) that more hunters often means more deer being pushed around in front of other hunters.
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 22, 2014 8:59:14 GMT -5
I think both sides are negligent if they don't at minimum give an understanding nod to the validity in both of the following statements:
-Youth season is awesome, but it doesn't need more additional days due to them still being able to legally hunt the entire regular season.
-Kids are the future of our hunting and if adding days gets more involved that can only cause good things to happen.
My caveat to the whole argument is what qualifies one as a youth hunter...I mean holy moly...by the age of 14 I was hunting by myself and fully capable and even harvested my first P&Y buck well before it was legal for me to even drive a vehicle. That is honestly the only thing I find ironic is the age part of it....but like I've said when discussing with others I may be against adding days to the youth season, but if they open it up a few days earlier I wouldn't fight it either...too much validity to both arguments for me to really be against either.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 22, 2014 9:16:01 GMT -5
I think both sides are negligent if they don't at minimum give an understanding nod to the validity in both of the following statements: -Youth season is awesome, but it doesn't need more additional days due to them still being able to legally hunt the entire regular season. -Kids are the future of our hunting and if adding days gets more involved that can only cause good things to happen. My caveat to the whole argument is what qualifies one as a youth hunter...I mean holy moly...by the age of 14 I was hunting by myself and fully capable and even harvested my first P&Y buck well before it was legal for me to even drive a vehicle. That is honestly the only thing I find ironic is the age part of it....but like I've said when discussing with others I may be against adding days to the youth season, but if they open it up a few days earlier I wouldn't fight it either...too much validity to both arguments for me to really be against either. Kind of the way I see it; My dad never deer hunted, I started myself at around 13 years old, alone. I never hunted any special youth seasons, and never felt at a disadvantage during regular gun season. The first deer I ever shot, at 15 years old, is still my biggest to date. Now, if I had been able to go out in September, you better believe I would have. And I do think it is nice that the kids get to hunt warm weather with a firearm. But, with the legalization of crossbows, kids now have an archery option to hunt all season long. And there also comes a point that a kid has to learn that sometimes, to be successful, you have to tough out some unpleasant conditions to kill a deer - i.e. cold, rainy, windy, etc.
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Post by dead-eye on Sept 22, 2014 10:40:59 GMT -5
Season is plenty long enough the way it is.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 22, 2014 11:07:27 GMT -5
Seems to me our "deer herd" has more than enough pressure on it already. Adding days for whatever the reason just doesn't make sense in the management scheme of thing's. If our Deer biologist can come up for valid reason's why we need to add additional days then I would listen. Just because Kentucky does is not a valid reason, nor is "I" want to shoot a velvet buck or youth need more time for their own season. We have very, very liberal deer season lengh's already. I hunt very hard and would guess harder then most. And although I may hunt a few time's first week of archery. Real hunting for me doesn't begin untill around Oct 25 th and then it's everyday untill I harvest my buck. I would not be oppossed to actually shorting archery back to the old Oct 15th start date. JMO'S
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Post by ridgerunner on Sept 22, 2014 11:09:31 GMT -5
Sure why not. You get one buck tag a yr. one dead deer, is one dead deer, not sure shooting one two weeks earlier should be a big issue. I really can't give a reason why not to allow it. I've been able to pattern some really good bucks in September that are gone come October, so I'd welcome Sept 15 start date for that fact alone.
All being said , I could really care less either way.
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Post by throbak on Sept 22, 2014 12:45:38 GMT -5
A big one Might forgive One interruption but not likely two IMO the less time you are in the woods at a Good spot the better your chance at a big one so 15 less days in the woods when the Big one isn't as likely to be up and around the better off you are that's why I like the later opening Day
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 22, 2014 13:02:32 GMT -5
A big one Might forgive One interruption but not likely two IMO the less time you are in the woods at a Good spot the better your chance at a big one so 15 less days in the woods when the Big one isn't as likely to be up and around the better off you are that's why I like the later opening Day Unless hunting public you control when and how much a spot gets hunted...so you could give me an open year and I'd still hunt the various bucks I'm after the exact same amount of times....I love using other hunters to my advantage, honestly dumb neighbors are sometimes better than smart hunting neighbors
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Post by ridgerunner on Sept 22, 2014 13:58:13 GMT -5
A big one Might forgive One interruption but not likely two IMO the less time you are in the woods at a Good spot the better your chance at a big one so 15 less days in the woods when the Big one isn't as likely to be up and around the better off you are that's why I like the later opening Day I'd agree if we were discussing October. The first few weeks of October the bucks are in that " lull" period., but in September the big bucks are very much on their feet and easy to pattern. The only other time of year a buck is able to be patterned is late season after the rut when they are on a feeding pattern. The good hunting doesn't really start until late October, not to say Big bucks cannot be killed in October. I have killed my share of bucks in October too. I have also burned out good hunting areas in my younger days by hunting too much in October before the hunting get's good. Morning hunting in October is pretty much non-productive, not totally , but the damage done by over hunting mornings normally doesn't produce enough success to justify doing it for me. I will hunt evenings in October, but rarely have harvested a good buck until mid to late October in 30 yrs bow hunting. Therefore, I have learned to ease in to the season not being too over zealous and ruining a good spot before the good hunting even starts. That being said, September would be a good time of year to shoot a good buck, but once we get close to October the bucks are rarely on their feet during daylight and most always in their beds before sun up each morning. That doesn't mean that a guy cannot kill a good buck the first few weeks of October ( I've done it), but when I add up the sightings of good bucks early October and compare it to the numbers of hours sitting in a tree, the reward/ sightings will not offset the damage done to my hunting area ,so based on that experience over many years, smart hunters will tweak their hunting tactics to optimize their opportunities at mature bucks and at the same time minimize the impact their presence has on the deer by picking and choosing when and where to hunt. Sometime's the best tactic for killing a big buck this season is knowing when to hunt and when to stay home..there are times when staying home and not hunting is the best thing a hunter can do to ensure he kills later. If your goal is to just kill any deer and you're not hunting mature bucks exclusively then disregard and just go hunt eventually you'll connect.
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