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Post by jdaily on Nov 29, 2013 20:40:03 GMT -5
Posted during opening weekend about the new hunter on the property that didn't have orange on the ground blind. Well, now he has crossed the line. Yesterday morning I shot a doe. When I got back to the truck, he asked how I did and I told him I had taken a doe. Told him I had seen several. He commented, he wasn't seeing much and said he was moving the ground blind to a different spot. Well, this morning after my daughter and I got out of our blind and walking out, I noticed he had moved his blind down to the bottom of the field, within 100 yrds of our blind and to top it off, it's facing the blind that we were hunting out of. It's a good thing he didn't shoot at something this morning, because we are directly in his line of fire. What  es me off the most is, we had our ground blind set up not more than 50 yrds from where his is now, just last weekend. And you could see it from where he had his blind before. I was being nice about things up to this point, but he doesn't seem to understand the danger he is putting me and my daughter in. So, tomorrow, after my daughter shoots a deer, we are going to go squirrel hunting and maybe even some rabbit. I already have 20 shells for myself and 15 for my daughter. There won't be a deer for miles when I'm done. Then I'll get back in there next week for archery. If he thinks it's okay to be inconsiderate of other hunters, then I guess I have no problem with it either. There's 300 acres to hunt and he,his fiance' and 2 sons are all hunting within 200 yrds from where I have hunted for 35 yrs. Get your AZZ off your 4 wheeler and do some scouting somewhere else. Sorry for the rant, but this is the kind of crap that ruins it for everybody. Be courteous to other hunter! |
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 29, 2013 21:33:50 GMT -5
Nothing makes me more P O ed than some one screwing up my hunting. but , not trying to be a smart ..... have u talked to/ with him. i donot know the situation but he may never been taught to/ how to respect another hunters aeria. he may be inexperanced and not know how to scout. I have been mentering a 46 year old about 5 years now and he k ew nothing about scouting stand placement wind entrence/exiting stand and was some what lacking on aera respect. he is a lot better now and is starting to see deer regulary and has taken a few now. good luck wwith the sotuation. jist my 2 cents worth
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Post by INhuntin on Nov 29, 2013 22:06:22 GMT -5
You guys would never survive hunting public land.
I have had other people (I can't call them hunters) come walking in at 7:30am & sit down in a lawn chair less than 50 yds from me the first day of ML season last year. It happens all the time all you can do is give them a little education by telling them what they are doing wrong.
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Post by jdaily on Nov 29, 2013 22:16:59 GMT -5
Onebentarrow: he has stated, he's been hunting for years and if he doesn't understand what a projectile coming from a firearm does, he doesn't need to be shooting one. I informed him when he first came onto the property, where I hunted. I even vacated a stand to give him the area he put a double ladder stand in. I shouldn't have to explain to a 55+ old how to respect others and their property. I mean, he drove through 30 ft of uncut soy beans to put up his ground blind the week before gun season. It was obvious, that I had been parking at the gate and walking in, all through archery. I will be talking with the landowner tomorrow and explain how reckless he is. Hopefully that will do the trick. That is, after I'm done rabbit and squirrel hunting  |
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Post by jdaily on Nov 29, 2013 22:19:22 GMT -5
Inhuntin: I still hunt some public ground and I expect that there. I don't expect that kind of disrespect on private ground.
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 29, 2013 22:41:26 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light
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Post by willyjaybob on Nov 30, 2013 11:01:46 GMT -5
Just Monday, I fired at a buck, and upon tracking it, found a ground blind set up about 40-50 yards into the area I was shooting-no blaze orange to be seen, either, and thankfully, no hunter. On top of that, the blind was no more than 15 yards away from a bait trap with a trail cam facing the bait and blind. So, not only is this fool endangering himself, he's illegally baiting on the adjacent property. Some people, man. Ridonculous!
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Post by jdaily on Nov 30, 2013 13:08:47 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I'm good with your previous post. Thanks!  ! He was a no show today! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2013 14:05:45 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I'm good with your previous post. Thanks! ! He was a no show today! That is how it usually works with these guys. They are easily discouraged by their inabilities and give up. |
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Post by deadeer on Nov 30, 2013 14:25:47 GMT -5
Just Monday, I fired at a buck, and upon tracking it, found a ground blind set up about 40-50 yards into the area I was shooting-no blaze orange to be seen, either, and thankfully, no hunter. On top of that, the blind was no more than 15 yards away from a bait trap with a trail cam facing the bait and blind. So, not only is this fool endangering himself, he's illegally baiting on the adjacent property. Some people, man. Ridonculous! Blaze orange NOT required on an UNoccupied blind. But I have seen several occupied in our area with no outside orange, and some in plain view from roads and one highway! As for the bait and trail cam, NOT illegal to have a camera or bait during hunting season, or even have a blind nearby, BUT of course it is illegal to hunt over it. I would write a note on a piece of paper, drop it in front of the camera while standing behind it, stating the DNR is watching! Should rattle his cage. Jay |
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2013 14:35:15 GMT -5
Just Monday, I fired at a buck, and upon tracking it, found a ground blind set up about 40-50 yards into the area I was shooting-no blaze orange to be seen, either, and thankfully, no hunter. On top of that, the blind was no more than 15 yards away from a bait trap with a trail cam facing the bait and blind. So, not only is this fool endangering himself, he's illegally baiting on the adjacent property. Some people, man. Ridonculous! Blaze orange NOT required on an UNoccupied blind. But I have seen several occupied in our area with no outside orange, and some in plain view from roads and one highway! As for the bait and trail cam, NOT illegal to have a camera or bait during hunting season, or even have a blind nearby, BUT of course it is illegal to hunt over it. I would write a note on a piece of paper, drop it in front of the camera while standing behind it, stating the DNR is watching! Should rattle his cage. Jay Playing the devil's advocate..so bear with me.... Although I doubt it seriously, is it possible that this guy is not hunting at all but has set this up to photograph wildlife? Does the hunter orange on blinds pertain to wildlife photographers or just to hunters? Thoughts? |
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Post by deadeer on Nov 30, 2013 18:20:04 GMT -5
Blaze orange NOT required on an UNoccupied blind. But I have seen several occupied in our area with no outside orange, and some in plain view from roads and one highway! As for the bait and trail cam, NOT illegal to have a camera or bait during hunting season, or even have a blind nearby, BUT of course it is illegal to hunt over it. I would write a note on a piece of paper, drop it in front of the camera while standing behind it, stating the DNR is watching! Should rattle his cage. Jay Playing the devil's advocate..so bear with me.... Although I doubt it seriously, is it possible that this guy is not hunting at all but has set this up to photograph wildlife? Does the hunter orange on blinds pertain to wildlife photographers or just to hunters? Thoughts? The very first thing that came to my mind was photography! I know my luck, if I got the law involved, that would turn out to be the case! If I didn't, it would be poaching and I would be in trouble for NOT turning him in. Jay |
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Post by single_shooter on Dec 1, 2013 8:21:48 GMT -5
Yup...had that problem myself on too many occasions. People who lack the skills see that you are doing better in your area so they get as close to you as they can...not realizing that they are ruining your day as well as their own by doing that.
I have been in a boat fishing and catching fish and had guys literally bump their boat into ours trying to horn in on a good spot. Total lack of knowledge and respect. But they have been raised to think that it is open to all and do what they can to share in the bounty. A selfish and greedy approach that has been taught to them in their life.
I always smile and ask one question. How would you like it if someone did this to you? Then follow up with more questions leading toward the facts of their actions...never accuse, point a finger, get upset or raise your voice because in the end it is just a hunting spot....nothing more. There is nothing there worth getting into a fight or a brawl over. Just ask questions and try to educate them. If they refuse to listen that's fine too. Just remember at all times....after 3 seconds of arguing with an idiot...it's difficult to tell which one the idiot is...
If they refuse to see the logic then tell the landowner of the issues and ask them for some assistance and hope they don't get irritated and shut down all the hunting on their land (which has happened to me) because it's too much of a pain in the butt and they don't want to deal with it.
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Post by elmo on Dec 1, 2013 9:22:59 GMT -5
Woody,
Do the regs say that the blind has to be marked when occupied or when it is being hunted out of? I would say that during the time that orange is required that orange is required no matter who is occupying it.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 1, 2013 11:39:21 GMT -5
Woody, Do the regs say that the blind has to be marked when occupied or when it is being hunted out of? I would say that during the time that orange is required that orange is required no matter who is occupying it. Taken from the DNR website. "An occupied ground blind must display hunter orange of at least 144 square inches on each side so that it is visible from any direction while deer hunting during any deer season in which a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange." Sounds like only when DEER HUNTING! Jay |
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Post by beermaker on Dec 1, 2013 19:34:19 GMT -5
I have an aunt that owns 300 acres that borders public land in Perry Co. Several years ago I was in my stand long before light on the opening day of gun season. I had been in the same tree for several years and had spent many mornings during the current bow season in the same tree. I heard the annoying sound of an ATV and it continued to get closer and closer. Not long later I saw a light working my way. I flashed several times and received acknowledgment. The idiot proceeded to get in a stand about 30 yards from me, on the public land, but damn near straddling the property line and looking onto my land. I waited until about 10:00 and marched straight to his stand and nearly got into a fistfight. He tried to tell me that the property owner gave him permission to drive his ATV through the field and that he was well within his rights to sit in that tree. I apologized and told him that I would be having lunch with the property owner and that everything would be fine. His ATV was parked in the corn field and his truck was next to mine. I went to town for a bite to eat and came back. His truck, ATV, and stand were gone. Never saw him again.
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 2, 2013 7:08:22 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I strongly disagree with taking issues to the land owner. Most of us are lucky just to be able to hunt private ground nowadays. No way i would take a dispute to the land owner, work it out yourselves, getting the owner involved could lead to know one hunting at all !!! |
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 2, 2013 10:11:55 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I strongly disagree with taking issues to the land owner. Most of us are lucky just to be able to hunt private ground nowadays. No way i would take a dispute to the land owner, work it out yourselves, getting the owner involved could lead to know one hunting at all !!! I have seen this happen more times than not. Taking a dispute to a landowner can lead to much more trouble but that all depends upon your relationship, and the other hunter's relationship, with the landowner. |
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 2, 2013 15:02:17 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I strongly disagree with taking issues to the land owner. Most of us are lucky just to be able to hunt private ground nowadays. No way i would take a dispute to the land owner, work it out yourselves, getting the owner involved could lead to know one hunting at all !!! I know taking it to the land owner could be riskey but would be better than taking a stray slug. NO piece of hunting ground is worth dieing for |
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Post by jdaily on Dec 2, 2013 19:50:22 GMT -5
it appears u have dune everything u could have possibley dune to elimate the problem. talking to landlord is good idea expecially about the damage to crops and saftey issue. I wish u luck. I hope u did not take my previous post in a wrong light I strongly disagree with taking issues to the land owner. Most of us are lucky just to be able to hunt private ground nowadays. No way i would take a dispute to the land owner, work it out yourselves, getting the owner involved could lead to know one hunting at all !!! Well, I have taken it all to the landowner, because I feel I have a good relationship with him and he needs to know how this previous co-worker is doing irresponsible things. I've helped him out around the farm over the years and I feel I have a really good relationship with him from the past 35 yrs. If it turns out that I loose the hunting ground, so be it. But, I will not deal with this myself, because it is not my property. I have already come up with a plan for next year, if this idiot continues to hunt on the property. |
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