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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:02:50 GMT -5
There has been a little debate about gross v. net scores in another thread. It was brought up by some that most hunters they know don't care much about net scores. Others say most hunters don't care much about gross scores. What do you say?
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Post by swilk on Sept 24, 2012 9:15:25 GMT -5
Think about it ..... many times guys cite their deers gross score of a scoring system they say they dont like. If you really dont like B&C then neither gross nor net should be used.
Guys say that every inch of antler should count ... then they want to use a scoring system that uses inside spread (air) as a part of the score.
Personally I always talk gross .... simply because I have never killed a "net" buck that would make B&C. IF I ever kill one I have a feeling I will tell the "net" score if/when asked what it scored.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:31:07 GMT -5
The last sentence says it all.
B & C Club was est. in 1887. Even deer farmers.quote the systems numbers. Hundreds of records would be altered if you wabted a change now. What wrong with just opting out in favor of the systems that let you count everything? Because it's not the best, tried and true system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:37:10 GMT -5
The question is which do you prefer as most useful? This poll is not a critique of any particular scoring club. They are free to set whatever rules they wish. I am talking about hunters talking to hunters here. Which do you find most useful. I never talk nets...unless I am talking about a deer I have had officially scored, in which case, I give gross and net.
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Post by swilk on Sept 24, 2012 9:40:49 GMT -5
Well, considering a deer has to be dead and officially measured to get the net score I would say that gross is most useful in 99% of the conversations I might have. Of the hundreds/thousands of deer I have seen and talked about over the years only a handful have been officially scored. Never seen a live deer willing to sit there and be scored ....  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 24, 2012 9:41:44 GMT -5
How about a combination?
IOW - 'My buck gross scored 160, but netted 150" - Then you have both scores identified and the person you are addressing can pretty well tell the difference....
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 24, 2012 9:45:28 GMT -5
Gross score. Just seem's silly to deduct inches of antler if that's what your scoring in the first place. IMO if they would just measure gross inches of antler and be done with it, it would make it simple for everyone. But of course it won't happen because it would be simple and easy. WHO WANT'S THAT?  LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:45:52 GMT -5
Wilk, you can't gross score live either. You can only guess score, and those are always higher than actual gross score.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:48:06 GMT -5
How about a combination? IOW - 'My buck gross scored 160, but netted 150" - Then you have both scores identified and the person you are addressing can pretty well tell the difference.... That is what I do with the two bucks I have had officially scored. for all other bucks, I only deal in gross scores--estimates or ones I have measured myself. Most hunting shows give gross numbers. They will say "150 class" or "160 class". I think that is a pretty good way to do it. My two biggest bucks I call "150 class", but they netted low to mid 140s. I still think that the gross number will always give you the better point of reference for conversation purposes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 9:56:48 GMT -5
Who knows the gross score of the Jordan buck without looking it up? Hanson's?
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Post by swilk on Sept 24, 2012 9:59:46 GMT -5
Wilk, you can't gross score live either. You can only guess score, and those are always higher than actual gross score. Well, considering gross is an official measurement as well ... I guess that we cant talk about gross or net unless it has been officially measured. Guess we gotta go with the ol "he was a big'un" ... or "he wernt s'big" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 10:12:03 GMT -5
Just count points for all those that wont score.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 24, 2012 11:21:02 GMT -5
Don't really care.
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Post by dawnpatrol on Sept 24, 2012 11:53:10 GMT -5
Net is what matters for py and bc......i do talk mostly gross when talking about a bucks headgear! But when asked about a book buck i shot....i give gross and net!
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 24, 2012 12:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 24, 2012 13:03:33 GMT -5
When I communicate with other hunters the caliber of bucks I'm seeing I use gross.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 14:02:07 GMT -5
I like Gross Score.
Gross Scores give the exact inches of Antler a Buck actually has. Does do not have antlers bucks do, therefore every inch of Anlter should count.
Problems with the B &C Net Score.
A smaller Buck can outscore a larger Buck if the smaller Buck has fewer deductions, and better symetry.
Here is another Problem with the B&C System.
What if one guy takes a Buck that gross scores 165 Typical, and another guy also takes a Buck that gross scores 165 Typical.
One of the Bucks has 6 points of deductions, it Net scores 159 Typical and does not make the Book.
The other guys Buck has 4 points of deductions and scores 161 inches Typical, so his Buck does make the Book. Isn't this crazy ?
Both of these Bucks have 165 inches of Antler, however only one of the Bucks made the Book.
Sadly this kind of thing happens all the time.
It's the same way with the Hoosier Record Book, you can have two Bucks that both Gross score 145 inches, one Buck has 10 points deducted and net scores 135 and does not make the book.
The other Buck only has 3 points of deductions, and net scores 142 inches and does make the book.
So, there are thousands of Bucks killed across America every year, that don't make the books that are just as big as the Bucks that do make the Books.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 24, 2012 14:03:08 GMT -5
Here us my take.... If it is your deer you can call any which way that you want...period..
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 24, 2012 14:54:56 GMT -5
I like Gross Score. Gross Scores give the exact inches of Antler a Buck actually has. Does do not have antlers bucks do, therefore every inch of Anlter should count. Actually gross does include a spread...which isn't exactly antler...I'm still a fan of gross,but don't want confusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 14:58:29 GMT -5
Yep.....that's me....with the exception of the guys that have 159 7/8" (or less) buck and still presist in saying they have a Booner, when it's obvious that they don't. They have a nice buck and should be proud of it, by it's not a qualifier and will not make the book. It they want to tell their buddies it's a WR, so be it. But it's not.
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LOL
