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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 20:56:42 GMT -5
Several states do NOT allow hunters to kill Jakes.
Do you think a rule Banning the killing of Jakes would be a good idea for Indiana. ?
I think it would be great for Indiana. It would save a few thousand Jakes every Spring from being killed.
That would help grow the Turkey population in parts of Indiana.
Another point regarding the NO Jake Rule, is if you let Jakes walk many of them will live to become 2 year olds, as a result you will have more 2 Year Old Toms around the next year Breeding the Hens, as a result you will obviously grow the Turkey population.
Saving Jakes, will increase the number of 2 year old Birds, that can and will breed the Hens.
That is another reason why some states do this.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 22:08:03 GMT -5
There is no biological reason not to shoot jakes, it's a personal reason only deal. It will not increase the turkey population by not doing it.
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Post by featherduster on May 19, 2012 5:20:53 GMT -5
Define a Jake for law enforcement purposes, this would be a tough law to enforce if you were to use the beard length as the definition for a Jake. If you want to increase the turkey population then put more pressure on species like raccoons and coyotes.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 5:42:40 GMT -5
Arkansas has had several years of bad hatches, the biologist there have implemented a NO Jake Rule in order to grow the Turkey numbers across the state.
A few thousand Jakes are killed every Spring in Indiana. So a rule Banning killing Jakes would save a few thousand Jakes every year in Indiana.
So, Indiana could add a few thousand Turkeys each year with this Rule.
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Post by throbak on May 19, 2012 5:56:44 GMT -5
no to trophy turkey hunting its bad enough with the deer so no to a NJR
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Post by featherduster on May 19, 2012 6:26:48 GMT -5
If Arkansas wants to improve their turkey population then why haven't they reduced the bag limit from 2 birds to 1. Or.........reduce their legal shooting time to sunset and don't allow the shooting of bearded hens.
Just watched a hunting show the other day where they killed a large turkey by weight and spurs but only had a small jake sized beard, would this bird have been illegal in Arkansas?
In my opinion what will increase a turkey population is: (1) habitat
(2) no hen bag limit
(3) season length and the timing of the opening and/or closing.
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Post by dbd870 on May 19, 2012 6:37:23 GMT -5
I really hate hunting shows
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Post by trapperdave on May 19, 2012 7:21:46 GMT -5
how will not killing jakes increase the population? They dont lay eggs.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 19, 2012 7:36:48 GMT -5
Negative on the no killing of Jakes. Wow.....maybe we can add trophy squirrels to this. Maybe the length of their tails?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 19, 2012 7:56:52 GMT -5
Why is it that there are some that are never satisfied with what they have or the progress that is being made?
Somewhere there is a study on non-hunting jake mortality and a big percentage of them don't get to be two year olds.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 19, 2012 8:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 9:13:15 GMT -5
in the field you cant tell them apart just by beard length. spurs is what tells the turkeys age. we have killed several on our farm the last few years that have only had partial beards due to beard rot. all these birds had over 1 inch spurs and 4 to 6 inch beards. all these birds were classified as jakes by kys check in system even though they were not. if you dont want to shoot jakes then dont fine with me i dont shoot them either, but when a kid is out there in the woods or someone who has never killed a turkey before there shouldnt be a law telling them that they cant shoot a jake if its in front of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 12:55:43 GMT -5
The only benefit to not killing jakes, is that it might allow these birds to make it to 2 years old, which is the birds that will do most of the gobbling the following year.
The flip side is that if a person tags on a jake, it might "save" a 2 year old to make it a 3 or a mistake hen, which will have effect on future populations.
There is no guaruntee that NOT shooting a jake will save it to the next year, as turkey mortality is very high from other causes.
Again, there is no biological reason to not allow shooting jakes
Bad hatches does have effect on turkey populations, spring gobbler hunting does not.
Jakes have longer tail feathers in the center of their tail spread, and generally will have a 4" or less beard. Making them identifiable from older birds
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Post by stevein on May 20, 2012 0:41:54 GMT -5
You need to add HELL NO to your poll. Several states allow the harvest of Jakes and they have a much higher kill every year.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on May 20, 2012 0:55:31 GMT -5
I think this is funny. I've killed jakes the last two years. Both times they came in gobbling their heads off. I had no idea they were jakes until i saw lack of spurs and uneven fans. The beard was a good 5 inches both times. Guess I'll need jail time if we go NJR
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Post by woodmaster on May 20, 2012 13:35:13 GMT -5
I really hate hunting shows What? ?? What does hunting shows have to do with if you want to kill jakes or not? I voted "NO"....next thing you know you won't be able to shoot button bucks, spikes, 3 pointer...etc
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Post by elmo on May 20, 2012 21:27:39 GMT -5
I am in the no camp as well.
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Post by dbd870 on May 21, 2012 4:25:22 GMT -5
I really hate hunting shows What? ?? What does hunting shows have to do with if you want to kill jakes or not? I voted "NO"....next thing you know you won't be able to shoot button bucks, spikes, 3 pointer...etc Because I believe the constant exposure to the "it has to be a big one or you are wrong in taking it" mentality on these shows is manifesting in hunting all the species. How about just enjoy being out and take whatever you like. (assuming it's legal)
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Post by dadfsr on May 21, 2012 5:55:05 GMT -5
...quite frankly I'm just considering the source and ignoring it.....
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Post by speckle on May 21, 2012 6:00:56 GMT -5
Why is it that there are some that are never satisfied with what they have or the progress that is being made? I remember somebody pushing for crossbows. shouldn't you have been happy with what you had?
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