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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 14, 2011 11:42:30 GMT -5
i didn't ask the guy if they were able to take any genetic samples to determine what actual species it is.
Will get the guys other photos of deer in the same spot for reference.
And have no reason to believe these farmers would lie, but really do not know them
Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen several big cat tracks but they were bobcat tracks , much smaller then a big cat like has been stated as being seen
Like I said, if it comes within my weapon range it will be shot and killed.
I'm on the fence post on this, just wanting to know if anyone else in that area has heard anything similar
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 14, 2011 12:09:14 GMT -5
N. American Black Panther= Genetically impossible myth! South/ Central American Black Jaguar = yes African Black Leopard= yes but N. American cougar/ Mt. Lion = No Way They lack the gene to produce the melanististic color phase. Not one recorded case of one in human history. No carcass, not one ever killed, not one ever reliably photographed...EVER! But, everybody has an uncle Jethro or cousin Cletus who swears they've seen one! As stated above these photos always turn out to be housecats photo'd in a way that gives no scale. Cat morphology is all pretty similar, so it is easy to pass a photo of a small cat off as a picture of a large cat if there is no reference of scale or if the photo is of poor quality. That does not discount that it could be an escaped or turned loose "pet'..
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Post by hunter7x on Nov 14, 2011 12:40:25 GMT -5
like I posted yesterday I heard the exact same stories you heard only the big kitty was 5 miles East of where you say you heard it was.
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Post by raporter on Nov 14, 2011 12:52:29 GMT -5
i didn't ask the guy if they were able to take any genetic samples to determine what actual species it is. Will get the guys other photos of deer in the same spot for reference. And have no reason to believe these farmers would lie, but really do not know them Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen several big cat tracks but they were bobcat tracks , much smaller then a big cat like has been stated as being seen Like I said, if it comes within my weapon range it will be shot and killed. I'm on the fence post on this, just wanting to know if anyone else in that area has heard anything similar John, Hoosier Hunter has posted the rule in the Ask the CO forum.
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Post by hammer24 on Nov 14, 2011 13:14:30 GMT -5
i didn't ask the guy if they were able to take any genetic samples to determine what actual species it is. Will get the guys other photos of deer in the same spot for reference. And have no reason to believe these farmers would lie, but really do not know them Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen several big cat tracks but they were bobcat tracks , much smaller then a big cat like has been stated as being seen Like I said, if it comes within my weapon range it will be shot and killed. I'm on the fence post on this, just wanting to know if anyone else in that area has heard anything similar Hey, not attacking ya for posting. I find these stories interesting, but one of these "magical black panther" stories pops up every other month in hunting forums, and the truth is there is no native cat to the area that can be black, no photographic proof, of such cats, and absolutely zero historic proof of the existence of large black cats in North America other than a rare jaguar in the extreme southwest. Could it be an escaped exotic? Sure. But, there must be ALOT of sad former owners of these escaped exotics because they are everywhere from Alabama to Wisconsin, Oklahoma to North Carolina! There is this relatively unknown fellow in the southern states however. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JaguarundiAttachments:
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Post by featherduster on Nov 14, 2011 13:25:15 GMT -5
I enlarged the photo as best as I could and it looks as though it is a Panther and it also appears there is the remains of a parachute harness on his back.
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Post by ms660 on Nov 14, 2011 14:15:33 GMT -5
I enlarged the photo as best as I could and it looks as though it is a Panther and it also appears there is the remains of a parachute harness on his back. Did you not also see the rattle snake in it's mouth when you enlarged the picture? It's hard to see,,,,,,,,but it's there.
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Post by southernjohn on Nov 14, 2011 14:47:19 GMT -5
i didn't ask the guy if they were able to take any genetic samples to determine what actual species it is. Will get the guys other photos of deer in the same spot for reference. And have no reason to believe these farmers would lie, but really do not know them Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen several big cat tracks but they were bobcat tracks , much smaller then a big cat like has been stated as being seen Like I said, if it comes within my weapon range it will be shot and killed. I'm on the fence post on this, just wanting to know if anyone else in that area has heard anything similar John, Hoosier Hunter has posted the rule in the Ask the CO forum. I read that post. My thoughts on it. I like to follow the intent of the law. Some people may get hung up on the technicalities of the law, I do not. The intent of the law is obviously to criminalize exotic release and hunt stuff. Why can't we release exotic big cats and hunt them for pleasure? Well, maybe Indiana doesn't want the ones that got away to multiply. So, in an effort to help the Hoosierland in its goals, I , for one would down any large dangerous cat that came by. Fine me. That being said, I do have a personal experience with a mountain lion in Indiana. I did not see it, I heard it. I was in my stand and dark was approaching. I was about to get down and heard the unmistakable crunching of leaves that will sometimes proceed the arrival of deer. The sound was coming down a bank and all of a sudden I heard a loud rush of sound like deer jumping. Then I heard the stereotypical mountain lion scream/squall/roar, and a louder crash. Some rustling, then shht, shhht, shhht, the sound of something being dragged. I stayed in my stand at least an hour after the sound died away. You have never seen a bowhunter come out of the woods and cross a field like I did to get to my truck. That was about 20 years ago. I have tried over the years to convince myself it was something else, but it just can't be done. So, unless a bobcat makes a cry like a mountain lion, it was a mountain lion.
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Post by mullis56 on Nov 14, 2011 18:08:17 GMT -5
Black Panther - released according to CO's someone raising them got on drugs and couldn't take care of them like 16 released in South Central Indiana.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 18:16:15 GMT -5
Even if you can kill them by Ind. law, it could be in violation of Federal law. Florida Panthers are Federally protected under the endangered species act. If it turns out to be one of them from the wild, you'll be in a lot of trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 18:25:17 GMT -5
N. American Black Panther= Genetically impossible myth! South/ Central American Black Jaguar = yes African Black Leopard= yes but N. American cougar/ Mt. Lion = No Way They lack the gene to produce the melanististic color phase. Not one recorded case of one in human history. No carcass, not one ever killed, not one ever reliably photographed...EVER! But, everybody has an uncle Jethro or cousin Cletus who swears they've seen one! As stated above these photos always turn out to be housecats photo'd in a way that gives no scale. Cat morphology is all pretty similar, so it is easy to pass a photo of a small cat off as a picture of a large cat if there is no reference of scale or if the photo is of poor quality. That does not discount that it could be an escaped or turned loose "pet'.. I can assure you that NO biologist will confir that there may be a black cat or two running around, in fact they saw they don't exsist in black phase. But.....I've seen one and have witness to it. So, I'm not crazy, even though if you say you see a black cat they will tell you are. I'll say it was 20 years ago, driving along a major highway near the Fort Knox Army Post. There had been similar reports from several of the areas on post of a few large black cat sightings there. Some of these were trained Range Control officers in place to make sure target practice went as intended. Anyway, this cat like creature appeared to be 10' or so nose to tail tip. The tail was as thick as 3-4", the cat had to weigh well over 150 pounds or so. I had a large black large at the time that weighed 105 lbs, and this thing was bigger. My wife was with me, and saw the same thing I saw. There was a Meade Co. deputy shierff behind me that also had to brake because of the cat crossing in front of my vehicle. I've seen a lot of animals including western Mt. Lions and this had to be either a lion or panther. No other possiblities to explain it.
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Post by jordanffemt on Nov 14, 2011 19:21:28 GMT -5
N. American Black Panther= Genetically impossible myth! South/ Central American Black Jaguar = yes African Black Leopard= yes but N. American cougar/ Mt. Lion = No Way They lack the gene to produce the melanististic color phase. Not one recorded case of one in human history. No carcass, not one ever killed, not one ever reliably photographed...EVER! But, everybody has an uncle Jethro or cousin Cletus who swears they've seen one! As stated above these photos always turn out to be housecats photo'd in a way that gives no scale. Cat morphology is all pretty similar, so it is easy to pass a photo of a small cat off as a picture of a large cat if there is no reference of scale or if the photo is of poor quality. That does not discount that it could be an escaped or turned loose "pet'.. MY girlfriends mom has video of her petting a cougar in crandall indiana. someone had it as a pet an when it got to big an aggressive to owner turned it loose. ill try to upload to vid
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Post by hammer24 on Nov 14, 2011 19:52:17 GMT -5
Just so we're all on the same page. We all do know that a panther IS a mt. lion, cougar, catamount, puma...right? The florida PANTHER is a subspecies of the species puma concolor What it is called is dependant on the region you are from, but they are all the same thing genetically. I have no doubt that there are cougars in Indiana. I'm surprised a CO would say that 16 black PANTHERS were released, because science tells us there is no such thing! That strung out junky was sitting on a gold mine of genetic marvels and just let them go! Leopard, jaguar possibly? Either way...they're both bad mojo! Def. Cougar, a large cat also known as a puma, mountain lion, panther, or catamount. Puma (genus), the genus containing the cougar and the jaguarundi
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Post by windingwinds on Nov 14, 2011 20:13:11 GMT -5
I asked around and all I've heard is bobcat rumors. Which would be neat.
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Post by LongHunter on Nov 14, 2011 22:43:14 GMT -5
Someone lost there Kitty Cat chill out ya big babies ! If your that scared of a house cat then u need not be in the woods....
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Post by jordanffemt on Nov 14, 2011 23:30:42 GMT -5
I asked around and all I've heard is bobcat rumors. Which would be neat. I have seen 2 of them in harrison crawford st forest, both last year
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Post by Carphunter on Nov 15, 2011 15:37:57 GMT -5
I videoed a bobcat while bowhunting with a friend on November 5th in Harrison county. Got excellent footage of him. He came within 15 yards of my stand before busting me and slowly sneaking off. Second one I have ever seen in Indiana. He was much larger than I expected him to be. Looking at his size, I'm sure he had the ability to bring down a fawn. I have heard rumors too of cougars close to our area. Supposedly one was caught on a trail camera in Salem. I certainly believe it's possible.
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Post by wileyonetoo on Nov 15, 2011 21:00:05 GMT -5
My hunting buddy just told me tonight that a bobcat was caught on a trail cam just west of where we hunt. I would love to see it from the stand. No cougar/panther sightings yet...
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 15, 2011 22:03:12 GMT -5
like I posted yesterday I heard the exact same stories you heard only the big kitty was 5 miles East of where you say you heard it was. Didn't see that, wow, probably the same animal. Have you heard anything about the red stag that people have seen in that area ? I was also told it was shot too
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Nov 15, 2011 22:03:57 GMT -5
i didn't ask the guy if they were able to take any genetic samples to determine what actual species it is. Will get the guys other photos of deer in the same spot for reference. And have no reason to believe these farmers would lie, but really do not know them Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I've seen several big cat tracks but they were bobcat tracks , much smaller then a big cat like has been stated as being seen Like I said, if it comes within my weapon range it will be shot and killed. I'm on the fence post on this, just wanting to know if anyone else in that area has heard anything similar Hey, not attacking ya for posting. I find these stories interesting, but one of these "magical black panther" stories pops up every other month in hunting forums, and the truth is there is no native cat to the area that can be black, no photographic proof, of such cats, and absolutely zero historic proof of the existence of large black cats in North America other than a rare jaguar in the extreme southwest. Could it be an escaped exotic? Sure. But, there must be ALOT of sad former owners of these escaped exotics because they are everywhere from Alabama to Wisconsin, Oklahoma to North Carolina! There is this relatively unknown fellow in the southern states however. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JaguarundiSorry didn't mean for you to take that badly, Sorry !!
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