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Post by dbd870 on Jun 3, 2011 19:17:56 GMT -5
Count me in. Sometimes I use a PCR and sometimes a handcannon; just depends on the mood I'm in at the time.
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Post by fullrut on Jun 3, 2011 21:25:57 GMT -5
I love my 7mm-08 Pistol, and also my .358wssm.
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Post by tenring on Jun 3, 2011 21:53:34 GMT -5
If a hunter cannot find a piece of ground to hunt on [access], there will be nowhere to use his .300 Magnum Ear Splintinzy Loudinzy Boomer, and your harvest totals will stay the same. And if access was secured, will that hunter take more than needed or wanted [disposition]?
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Post by hornharvester on Jun 4, 2011 5:42:12 GMT -5
No matter what gun or bow you use its only one buck and 250+ doe in Indiana. So why do some hunters want to limit other hunters on weapon choices? Can someone give me a good answer? h.h.
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Post by drs on Jun 4, 2011 5:51:05 GMT -5
It all started out twenty years ago, the original solicitation was to allow "straight walled" cartridges. Somewhere the nomenclature was changed [by an unknown person or persons] and the length requirement was added and nothing was said about not having a shoulder, and there you have it. And just how many individuals on this board use a "rifle" cartridge in a handgun? Curiosity in action. To be more exact, this leglization of PISTOL cartridges in rifles, started in 1987, when I wrote the IDNR asking them to consider allowing the use of regular Pistol cartridges in a RIFLE for Deer in Indiana. I lived in Indiana and the main reason being I asked the IDNR to consider "PCR's" is due to the fact that at that time we had RIFLED Barreled shotguns firing sabot slug ammo. This new type slug ammo was just as or more powerful than any of our Pistol cartridges loaded at that time (1987), but this sabot loaded ammo was far more expensive and some had heavier recoil than pistol ammo. Long story short, the IDNR first wrote me back saying "NO WAY would they consider allowing or legalizing PCR's used for Deer in Indiana." However when we all got connected with the use of that invention "The Internet" with hunting forums, I decided to see how other Deer Hunters felt about the use of PCR's for Deer hunting in the State of Indiana. Some liked it, some were very much against it especially Bow Hunters, and I received a lot of nasty & childish posts & "PM's" from those who opposed the use of PCR's. BUT, with the help from MANY interested good Folks, the IDNR saw the error of their ways and in 2007 legalized the use of PCR's for Deer Hunting in Indiana. I now find it perlexing that some want to sneak in certain wildcat loads that almost if not surpass "common" high powered rifle cartridges like the .35 Remington, and other rifle loads. So if the State of Indiana is going to allow these wildcat cartridges then why not allow the use of cartridges like the .30-30, .243, .308, and others that would have similar ballistics.
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Post by michaelrichardson on Jun 6, 2011 20:18:46 GMT -5
Not to argue, but if the 35 Remington is "high power", then what exactly would be a "normal power" rifle. Sorry but the terminology bugs me and gives naysayer buzzwords. 300 Winmag= high power, 35 Remington? ??
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 6, 2011 21:42:25 GMT -5
I sometimes use a .35 Remington XP100 pistol whenever the mood strikes me. I would love to be able to break out the Marlin .35 Remington and use it here in Indiana. Ballistics are similiar to a 30/30 Winchester so it's a short to medium range cartridge.
I'm with hornharvester on this one. Your limited to one buck and however many does you can squeeze into the freezer so who cares what people use. It's a silly argument that continually get's rehashed here and on other boards. Probably over 95% of hunters are only going to harvest a set amount each year no matter what tools they choose to use.
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Post by drs on Jun 7, 2011 5:33:45 GMT -5
I sometimes use a .35 Remington pistol whenever the mood strikes me. I would love to be able to break out the Marlin .35 Remington and use it here in Indiana. Ballistics are to a 30/30 Winchesters it's a short to medium range cartridge. I'm with hornharvester on this one. Your limited to one buck and however many does you can squeeze into the freezer so who cares what people use. It's a silly argument that continually get's rehashed here and on other boards. Probably over 95% of hunters are only going to harvest a set amount each year no matter what tools they choose to use. Like I said in above post: If the State of Indiana is going to allow wildcat cartridges then why not allow the use of cartridges like the .30-30, .243, .308, and others that would have similar ballistics. BTW, "michaelrichardson" any rifle that propels a bullet over 2,000 FPS is considered to be "High-powered".
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Post by HuntMeister on Jun 7, 2011 6:43:45 GMT -5
[quote author=drs board=deerhunting thread=37840 post=302819 time=1307442825 BTW, "michaelrichardson" any rifle that propels a bullet over 2,000 FPS is considered to be "High-powered".[/quote][/b]
Where does one find that definition at? Not doubting just curious as I have never heard that before...always thought "high powered" was just slang.
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Post by schoolmaster on Jun 7, 2011 8:24:10 GMT -5
I am a meat hunter. I use the best equipment I can afford to buy. I don't get many opportunities to shoot a deer so I have to take advantage of those that turn up. I use a .358BFG, I use a .45 PacNor barreled Savage Ml, I use a Ten Point crossbow. My equipment is legal. I usually kill one or two deer a year and travel long distances to hunt public ground at times. I need every advantage I can get. I process my own meat and eat it. I have 3 grownup sons and one daughter and they and their families do the same. My two oldest sons also will be using .358s this year. My 10 year old grandson has taken 2 deer with his .357 mag handirifle. The hunting experience we have together is priceless.
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Post by drs on Jun 7, 2011 8:24:31 GMT -5
The term "High-Powered is sort of a generic or "slang" term used by the manufactures. I remember reading once, that if a bullet has a muzzle velocity of over 2,000 FPS it is considered High-Powered.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 8:44:11 GMT -5
ALL modern centerfire rifles are "high powered", regardless of velocity.
Modern refers to the propellent used as much as anything, which is smokeless powder instead of black powder.
Rimfire rifles are normally not considered "high powered". The same applys to those chanmbered to fire pistol cartriges(PCR).
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Post by drs on Jun 7, 2011 8:50:50 GMT -5
ALL modern centerfire rifles are "high powered", regardless of velocity. Modern refers to the propellent used as much as anything, which is smokeless powder instead of black powder. Rimfire rifles are normally not considered "high powered". The same applys to those chanmbered to fire pistol cartriges(PCR). Got a source for your above remark on "high-power", Tom?? I know one thing I am getting sick & tired of someone comming on here, everytime, and questioning my post(s) and/or judgement, on everything I provide an answer to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 9:03:15 GMT -5
Yeah, just Google the question. But what I posted is common knowledge. Sorry if your offended, but you surely want to be accurate in posting info I assume? Note that an air rifle can shoot over 2000 fps but would not be a high powered rifle by any stretch. Here's one link - wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_high-powered_rifle
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Post by drs on Jun 7, 2011 9:43:46 GMT -5
Yeah, just Google the question. But what I posted is common knowledge. It is "Common Knowledge" that a projectile traveling 2,000 + feet per second, is considered high-powered, when fired from a cartridge. ~ Simple Physics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 9:50:45 GMT -5
What ever???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 13:33:59 GMT -5
The term "High-Powered is sort of a generic or "slang" term used by the manufactures. I remember reading once, that if a bullet has a muzzle velocity of over 2,000 FPS it is considered High-Powered. so in other words by what you are saying is that if i was to hand load my .44 mag which is a pistol cartridge and get muzzle speeds just over 2000 feet per second, then i cant use it anymore in indiana. dang cause i really hunting with that gun.
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Post by drs on Jun 7, 2011 14:07:02 GMT -5
so in other words by what you are saying is that if i was to hand load my .44 mag which is a pistol cartridge and get muzzle speeds just over 2000 feet per second, then i cant use it anymore in indiana. dang cause i really hunting with that gun. The .44 Magnum, regardless of velocity, IS LEGAL in Indiana. Read the "Legal Deer Hunting Equipment".
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