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Post by bowhunterjohn on May 27, 2011 7:11:23 GMT -5
I know several guys using the cut down short mag .358 rounds One guy shot a couple does over 325 yards and capable of shooting 500 yards accurately .
Why not just legalize all rifles ?
One can shoot a rifle handgun and I've heard and seen accounts of those shooting over 300 yard also.
Then we have smokeless muzzleloaders shooting that distance too.
So why not just legalize rifles in Indiana
Just wanting to hear your thoughts and opinions on this
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Post by mrfixit on May 27, 2011 7:25:19 GMT -5
I'm all for anything that expands opportunity to hunt. Not real big on the state regulating anything to do with big antlers. I feel that is the responsibility of hunters to decide when to shoot and when to let one pass for "next" year. So bring on the real rifles, at least one study has shown they are safer to hunt with than shotgun slugs.  |
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Post by 76chevy on May 27, 2011 8:34:28 GMT -5
I agree
if you have the money or the know how, you can hunt with a high power centerfire rifle in Indiana right now under the current rules
the .358 and other PCR wildcats have equal or better ballistics than the .30-06...one is legal one is not?? ;D
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Post by fullrut on May 27, 2011 10:58:38 GMT -5
I love my .358.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2011 15:42:45 GMT -5
Heck, why not....we alreay have bows that can cast an arrow at nearly those same distances so why not let the rifle guys in on the fun.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on May 27, 2011 17:32:25 GMT -5
my son wants one real bad, so do I LOL, Sit up in the main blind and shoot the deer that come out 225-250 yards with no problems, nice |
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Post by fullrut on May 27, 2011 17:39:27 GMT -5
Mine is on an encore frame and was not too terribly expensive. It shoots awesome and is devastating on deer.
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Post by 76chevy on May 27, 2011 19:37:21 GMT -5
do you shoot all hand loads or any commercial loads available?
it seems a bit much to me to have a grand wrapped up in a gun you can hunt with for 2 weeks a year
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Post by fullrut on May 27, 2011 21:00:38 GMT -5
If you happen to already have an encore its not that bad. 400$ buys a barrel. You can buy loaded rounds for 2.75$ a piece or you can handload. I bought mine and they perform awesome. Shot a Kentucky doe last year through the shoulder and the exit hole was measured at 9inches. UNREAL performance. Shot 4 total with my .358 last year and absolutely love this gun.
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Post by Sasquatch on May 28, 2011 4:36:27 GMT -5
Heck, why not....we alreay have bows that can cast an arrow at nearly those same distances so why not let the rifle guys in on the fun. Mine is one pin out to 300 yards. But then, I prefer an arrow that is on the moderate end of the grain scale.  Just imagine what the X-bows can do. I can say that having hunted where the amount of gunshots made me skip opening weekend, the thought of bigger rifles makes me uncomfortable. I'm not sure what the answer should be. |
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Post by 76chevy on May 28, 2011 5:59:05 GMT -5
thanks for the info--I love the round but would need to get an encore frame you have the MGM barrel? If you happen to already have an encore its not that bad. 400$ buys a barrel. You can buy loaded rounds for 2.75$ a piece or you can handload. I bought mine and they perform awesome. Shot a Kentucky doe last year through the shoulder and the exit hole was measured at 9inches. UNREAL performance. Shot 4 total with my .358 last year and absolutely love this gun. |
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Post by 76chevy on May 28, 2011 6:06:21 GMT -5
On a couple of the larger farms I hunt at, a 250 to 300 yard shot is not out of the question and would be totally safe based upon the terrain and very sparsely populated surrounding area ;D the 100 yard xbow just can't reach out that far ;D Heck, why not....we alreay have bows that can cast an arrow at nearly those same distances so why not let the rifle guys in on the fun. Mine is one pin out to 300 yards. But then, I prefer an arrow that is on the moderate end of the grain scale. Just imagine what the X-bows can do. I can say that having hunted where the amount of gunshots made me skip opening weekend, the thought of bigger rifles makes me uncomfortable. I'm not sure what the answer should be. |
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Post by HuntMeister on May 28, 2011 6:49:19 GMT -5
Get ahold of AJ Brown, I spoke with him back at the deer expo. He claims you can get into a bolt gun with one of his Indiana legal wildcats for as low as $600.
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Post by oldhoyt on May 31, 2011 16:03:46 GMT -5
I'm ready to try one if they pass the proposed change that will allow cases up to 1.8". I have a Savage .308 that could simply be re-barrelled, assuming the performance with the shortned 308 case is adequate.
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Post by steiny on May 31, 2011 19:40:24 GMT -5
I shoot a .375 Whisper bolt action which was made by rebarrelling and modifying a .308 Tikka T-3. All loads are hand loads. Not quite the performance of the .358 IDC, but pretty sweet none the less. Killed a buck last season at 250yds an another the prior season at 180 yds.
Love it.
Going to Kansas this fall where anything goes and intend on using this rig, because we hunt relatively tight quarters out there. It's goot to go 300 yards and under if you have a range finder and know what you are doing.
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Post by elmo on May 31, 2011 20:38:30 GMT -5
I haven't every shot one, but my personal opinion is that I am not shooting anything over 100 yards. Part of the fun for me is not getting busted by the nose, eyes, or ears of whatever I'm hunting. Most of the animals that I have killed have been under 50 yards. This being said, I have said for years that everything should be legal. How can a squirell hunter shoot a rifle into the air, but a deer hunter can't shoot a rifle ar a downward angle at a deer.
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Post by drs on Jun 1, 2011 6:01:29 GMT -5
I always though that the .357-44 Bain Davis would make a good cartridge, for Indiana Deer Hunters. It's based on the .44 Remington Magnum necked down to .357" with no other changes. One could achieve velocities of 2,200 FPS + with a 22" barrel & the right 158 grain load, in a rifle. The Ruger Model 77/44 would be perfect for this cartridge as all it would require is a new barrel installed. Ammo would be easy to make too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 6:15:45 GMT -5
Hard to beat the 460 or 500 S & W. Just trim a bit and reseat the bullet and it's already at those speeds or better.
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Post by drs on Jun 1, 2011 6:55:01 GMT -5
Hard to beat the 460 or 500 S & W. Just trim a bit and reseat the bullet and it's already at those speeds or better. The .357/44 B&D would have a flatter trajectory with the lighter 158 grain bullet. the .460 or even the .500 S&W could be necked down to .357 or 358" for a potent deer load though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 7:33:40 GMT -5
David, a juiced up (hot handloaded) 460 is flatter and packs more KE than the wildcat you mention. Obviously, it would also be more expensive to set up and keep fed than buy Cor-bon factory loads or loading your own in the 460. IMO, in order for a wildcat cartrige to be a good choice, it needs to be substancially better than what else is available.
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