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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 21, 2011 17:30:40 GMT -5
Wrong Randolph, I rented it for a time period. One year. That makes you a trespasser. It was rented for fishing, hunting (all kinds including mushroom). If I had only rented for 3 months to deer hunt then I don't have a reason to complain. Ahhhhh, that is pretty much what I have been saying all along " depends on terms of the lease," if a person has a year long, exclusive lease.. ok, but if it is a 3 month lease to hunt, how would I be out of line by asking to shed hunt in March, as for me being a trespasser, with landowners permission, am I ?, I don't know..... on one hand it is leased property but on the other, I have the landowners permission, would landowners permission over ride your lease, again I don't know....... all I know is if I can't get them on the owner, I am not interested in them after they fall off, so you don't have to worry about me comming on your lease to shed hunt.....LOL
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Post by george0493 on Mar 21, 2011 22:19:08 GMT -5
Wow some genius is comparing finding a shed antler to stealing a tree stand........lol pass SOME OF WHATEVER YOUR HITTING THIS WAY..... Genius, probably not. Well educated, very much so. Clearly you are not if you believe trespassing is ok as long as its undetected. Doesnt matter if its a shed, mushroom or a deerstand because its still trespassing and taking ones goods that have been paid for. The guy has paid for his lease which "should" include ALL recreational activity. If so, then the landowner is violating the contract. The fella shedhunting isnt much of a sportsman if he knows its leased, therefore not being very respectful to the leasing party. Why doesnt he shed hunt on his own property or is he scouting? Regardless, Id be pretty mad as well. Oh, and I dont smoke. Is it a safe assumption that a hunting lease "should" include "ALL recreational activity" on a particular property even well outside of hunting season? I am a landowner and after reading through this thread I am now thoroughly convinced that I have zero desire to ever lease my land for hunting. Seems like a real PIA to me and a can of worms. I would be shocked to see an agreement whereby someone is granted such open ended access. A hunting lease should remain exactly that. It is not a transfer of ownership to someone that entitles them to "all rights" to a property. Now, if the lease states otherwise and encompasses the entire year with full access to a very broadly defined "ALL recreational activity", then that is a whole different ball game and a potentially flawed agreement full of potential pitfalls. If that was the case with the OP, I stand corrected and will eat humble pie. If it isn't, then I think we may be stretching a bit here.
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Post by LongHunter on Mar 21, 2011 23:16:14 GMT -5
It is ok to hunt sheds wherever a deer leaves them for you he obviously wanted me to find his sheds or else why did he leave them there for you and me to find in the first place? DUH !!!!
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 22, 2011 14:19:57 GMT -5
It is ok to hunt sheds wherever a deer leaves them for you he obviously wanted me to find his sheds or else why did he leave them there for you and me to find in the first place? DUH !!!! I think my IQ dipped a bit while reading this....
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 22, 2011 14:51:59 GMT -5
George,
Not all leases are all inclusive. If not I'm not gonna pay premium price. Leasing is an opportunity for those who don't own land to "manage" deer, atleast that's the way I look at it. I'm not gonna pay to hunt if others hunt it as well because I've gainesd nothing and may as well hunt public ground. I've yet too meet a die hard hunter who would be happy with someone shed hunting on property they have leased.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 17:16:47 GMT -5
The term shed HUNTING defines the activity pretty well, any lease that I would sign on a particular tract WOULD include this activity as a premitted activity. Otherwise, it wouldn't work. One thing that kills a hunting lease is to try and mix free hunting with fee hunting. It's not long before the two cause conflicts. Landowners need to honor their end as well as the lessee. Most do if they want to continue recieving lease money for their properties.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 22, 2011 18:56:18 GMT -5
The term shed HUNTING defines the activity pretty well, any lease that I would sign on a particular tract WOULD include this activity as a premitted activity. Otherwise, it wouldn't work. One thing that kills a hunting lease is to try and mix free hunting with fee hunting. It's not long before the two cause conflicts. Landowners need to honor their end as well as the lessee. Most do if they want to continue recieving lease money for their properties. What about "MUSHROOM" hunting ;D where's that fit in a lease...
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Post by dsayer on Mar 22, 2011 20:25:15 GMT -5
First off, no I would not hunt sheds on someone else's lease for two reasons. 1) I rarely hunt for bucks so I don't care. 2) it's rude. What really gets me about the situation is that this fella knew Sas was hunting the ground and should have assumed he would be interested on knowing what survived last season. LongHunter, please stop posting on this thread. I also don't care about shed hunting, but lots of guys do so this IS a big deal to them.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 24, 2011 13:32:29 GMT -5
One last word from me on this one.... I never considered an all-inclusive lease deal for a couple of reasons: #1. It's greedy #2. It would be difficult for the landowner. My lease did include all year access....the only thing that was exclusive was hunting. I never thought I had the right to exclude anyone shed hunting. I just kind of wanted to know if it was something you guys might do. ( knowing someone leased it for hunting) I personally would not.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 24, 2011 15:30:01 GMT -5
It is ok to hunt sheds wherever a deer leaves them for you he obviously wanted me to find his sheds or else why did he leave them there for you and me to find in the first place? DUH !!!! I think my IQ dipped a bit while reading this.... DIPPED? ? I'm still trying to find mine.
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 24, 2011 22:12:08 GMT -5
Seems to be legal vs moral like a lot of the issues. Legal is usually close to cut and dry (if you want it, add it into the paperwork and leave nothing to be judged.) Morally, you get every angle based upon many things outside of what is legal. Just remember, almost everyone is perfect on the internet. :-D
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Post by duff on Mar 25, 2011 5:10:43 GMT -5
....Just remember, almost everyone is perfect on the internet. :-D Dang glad you thought of me ;D
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Post by boilermaker on Mar 26, 2011 3:15:48 GMT -5
Wrong Randolph, I rented it for a time period. One year. That makes you a trespasser. It was rented for fishing, hunting (all kinds including mushroom). If I had only rented for 3 months to deer hunt then I don't have a reason to complain. Ahhhhh, that is pretty much what I have been saying all along " depends on terms of the lease," if a person has a year long, exclusive lease.. ok, but if it is a 3 month lease to hunt, how would I be out of line by asking to shed hunt in March, as for me being a trespasser, with landowners permission, am I ?, I don't know..... on one hand it is leased property but on the other, I have the landowners permission, would landowners permission over ride your lease, again I don't know....... all I know is if I can't get them on the owner, I am not interested in them after they fall off, so you don't have to worry about me comming on your lease to shed hunt.....LOL It would not be tresspassing on the part of the individual looking for sheds. That person has done his due diligence to speak with the landowner and has a "reasonable" expectation the landowner has the right to grant him permission to look for sheds. It could be a breach of contract on the landowners part depending on the terms of the contract. Now is "shed hunting" really hunting? All you are doing is walkling around looking for something lying on the ground. If you want exclusive rights to looking for the sheds, be more specific in your next contract. Same goes for looking for mushrooms because it is debatable whether it is "hunting" or not. Live and learn. I certianly don't think the landowner would appreciate you posting something like this on the board if he was to see it.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 29, 2011 12:10:50 GMT -5
plus 1
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Post by windingwinds on Mar 29, 2011 12:57:19 GMT -5
As a landowner also I would not be open to leasing because of these disputes. It's really a ethics question and yes some people would use this opportunity to scout, maybe they hunt a adjacent property? Last bow season we had a neighbor who previously had hunted our property come to our house "to look for a deer he had shot" He didn't find it.............then first day of gun season who do we see right on top of the fenceline til he saw us out there. I am 90% sure he was going to cross onto our property. Never know because he saw us and turned. Needless to say we go back to escorted deer searches this season. Im ok finding a down deer for a hunter, I am NOT okay with you scouting my land which I hunt.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Apr 5, 2011 10:53:47 GMT -5
Off the shed hunting topic a lil but my uncle and I small game hunt a piece of property and I ask permission to deer hunt it ( the propertyis owned by my uncles inlaws ) he granted my uncle and I permission. We went squirrel hunting a few times that year and I scouted a lot fo the area for upcoming bow season. About 2 weeks before opening day, we went to set up a deerstand and walked up on a ladder stand on the property. my uncle and I had EXCLUSIVE PERMISSION to deer hunt there (no lease). I mean EXCLUSIVE meaning the landowner gave NO ONE else permission to be on the property at all ! My uncle didnt want to deer hunt the property because someone else was already intending to hunt there. IMO I had "rights" and this fella that hung the stand did not. We came out opening day of bow season and waited til around noon to head towards where we say the stand hanging to see if we could catch the guy leaving the stand. We seen him sitting in the stand from about 200yrds away when he began lowering his equipment I walked over to talk to him. I was very nice and simply told the young fella that I had permission to deer hunt there and ask if he did. His response blew my mind, " I dont have permission but I know who owns the property " and I responded well I have permission and the landowner has told me that I am the only one allowed to hunt here. You need to talk to him if you plan to continue to hunt here. The man got his stuff together and the following weekend I came back to hunt, there he was again in the stand in the same spot !!! I backed out and went to the house to ask the landowner if he had spoken with the tresspasser, to my surprise he had not ! I went back out there and talked again with the young hunter ( around 20 yrs old ) and told him he was tresspassing and that he needed to speak with the landowner if he wanted to continue to hunt there ! His reply was " I have hunted here for 5 yrs and Im not going to stop " ! I told him I didnt care that he hunted there as long as the landowner told him it was ok but I too was also going to hunt there because I had permission. Longer story short the guy never asked permission, the stand was never taken down I had a lock on stand stolenoff the property and the landowner would NOT call the CO to have the guy removed or fined for tresspassing. I cant prove the young guy stole my stand or that he defectated under my tree more than once, or that he cut 2 of my pull ropes from the tree I hunted from, but because the landowner didnt acknowledge my rights that young hunter is still hunting the property "illegally" IMO and I no longer am because of the thought of getting my stuff stolen or hunt ruined !! Just thought Id share that very long story with you all LOL ! What do you all think about that one ?? Talk about disrespect on the landowner and the tresspassing deer hunters part ! ~ INDeerhunter ~
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Post by scrub-buster on Apr 5, 2011 22:52:31 GMT -5
My neighbor has over 100 prime deer acres. He lets maybe 2 or 3 guys hunt it. As far as I know, they don't lease it, they are just allowed to hunt it. They don't scout or come any other time of the year. They come like clockwork every year from out of state. The weekend before opening day, I hear quads all over the place putting up stands. I would love to look for sheds on that property, but I have never asked. If I ever do ask and I am granted permission by the property owner, I would have no problem looking for sheds. If he told me that he leased the property to those guys and it was there call, I wouldn't even bother asking them and I wouldn't go looking for sheds over there.
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Post by posiedon on Apr 10, 2011 9:49:00 GMT -5
One last word from me on this one.... I never considered an all-inclusive lease deal for a couple of reasons: #1. It's greedy #2. It would be difficult for the landowner. My lease did include all year access....the only thing that was exclusive was hunting. I never thought I had the right to exclude anyone shed hunting. I just kind of wanted to know if it was something you guys might do. ( knowing someone leased it for hunting) I personally would not. This has been an interesting thread to read through. And the OP's question has several different answers. IF I knew a certain person was leasing or hunting a set tract of land then no I wouldn't go after it for any hunting or gathering. IF I did not know a certain person was then I would seek out permission. Even though the two are the same it just shows a little respect if you absolutely know that it is being leased or hunted by somebody. Now if it is being leased by an out of stater (I hate leasing and believe it will be the end to hunting) My main problem with this whole thread is that the OP seems to believe that since he pays for his hunting and I just ask and help landowners that he has more rights than somebody who hunts land with just permission when it comes down to whats right or wrong (when talking things outside whats stated in the contract.) Bottom line, don't tread on somebody you knows hunting land without their and the landowners permission, lease or no lease. my .02
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Post by posiedon on Apr 10, 2011 9:57:00 GMT -5
Off the shed hunting topic a lil but my uncle and I small game hunt a piece of property and I ask permission to deer hunt it ( the propertyis owned by my uncles inlaws ) he granted my uncle and I permission. We went squirrel hunting a few times that year and I scouted a lot fo the area for upcoming bow season. About 2 weeks before opening day, we went to set up a deerstand and walked up on a ladder stand on the property. my uncle and I had EXCLUSIVE PERMISSION to deer hunt there (no lease). I mean EXCLUSIVE meaning the landowner gave NO ONE else permission to be on the property at all ! My uncle didnt want to deer hunt the property because someone else was already intending to hunt there. IMO I had "rights" and this fella that hung the stand did not. We came out opening day of bow season and waited til around noon to head towards where we say the stand hanging to see if we could catch the guy leaving the stand. We seen him sitting in the stand from about 200yrds away when he began lowering his equipment I walked over to talk to him. I was very nice and simply told the young fella that I had permission to deer hunt there and ask if he did. His response blew my mind, " I dont have permission but I know who owns the property " and I responded well I have permission and the landowner has told me that I am the only one allowed to hunt here. You need to talk to him if you plan to continue to hunt here. The man got his stuff together and the following weekend I came back to hunt, there he was again in the stand in the same spot !!! I backed out and went to the house to ask the landowner if he had spoken with the tresspasser, to my surprise he had not ! I went back out there and talked again with the young hunter ( around 20 yrs old ) and told him he was tresspassing and that he needed to speak with the landowner if he wanted to continue to hunt there ! His reply was " I have hunted here for 5 yrs and Im not going to stop " ! I told him I didnt care that he hunted there as long as the landowner told him it was ok but I too was also going to hunt there because I had permission. Longer story short the guy never asked permission, the stand was never taken down I had a lock on stand stolenoff the property and the landowner would NOT call the CO to have the guy removed or fined for tresspassing. I cant prove the young guy stole my stand or that he defectated under my tree more than once, or that he cut 2 of my pull ropes from the tree I hunted from, but because the landowner didnt acknowledge my rights that young hunter is still hunting the property "illegally" IMO and I no longer am because of the thought of getting my stuff stolen or hunt ruined !! Just thought Id share that very long story with you all LOL ! What do you all think about that one ?? Talk about disrespect on the landowner and the tresspassing deer hunters part ! ~ INDeerhunter ~ Man you are a lot nicer than I would of been. When I get "Exclusive" permission I always ask what they want me to do if I find others equipment on there land. The answer is always the same, "bring it up to the house and let them come claim it...."
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Post by INDeerhunter on Apr 13, 2011 9:44:16 GMT -5
Posiedon, Thats pretty much what I thought the land owner would tell me when I told him the first time I squirrel hunted there and noticed the ladder stand !!! However, instead when I told him he said "Well I guess someone is alrdeady hunting out there". I ask if he gave permission and if not did he want me to take the stand down and his reply was " No, just leave it there but if you run into the guy tell him if he wants to still hunt here then he needs to come talk to me". It was as if he didnt mind the guy being there at all just wanted to know who he was. The property was more than enough area for the three of us to hunt so I just figured we could eventually all hunt there and I might even be able to talk with the guy already hunting there about when and where he was going to be and what kind of deer he had taken and so forth. BUT apparently that guy was going to do whatever he needed to ensure he was the only guy hunting there even though he really didnt have permission ! I just gave up on it after finding human feces under the stand the 2nd time and my bow rope being cut. I didnt get the stand out that weekend and when I returned the following weekend it was gone. I felt there was nothing else I could do bout the situation when the landowner wouldnt help me out at all. ~ INDeerhunter ~
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