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Post by throbak on Mar 18, 2011 16:40:11 GMT -5
I wouldnt either SAS
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 18, 2011 16:50:53 GMT -5
Wow some genius is comparing finding a shed antler to stealing a tree stand........lol pass SOME OF WHATEVER YOUR HITTING THIS WAY..... Genius, probably not. Well educated, very much so. Clearly you are not if you believe trespassing is ok as long as its undetected. Doesnt matter if its a shed, mushroom or a deerstand because its still trespassing and taking ones goods that have been paid for. The guy has paid for his lease which "should" include ALL recreational activity. If so, then the landowner is violating the contract. The fella shedhunting isnt much of a sportsman if he knows its leased, therefore not being very respectful to the leasing party. Why doesnt he shed hunt on his own property or is he scouting? Regardless, Id be pretty mad as well. Oh, and I dont smoke.
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 18, 2011 16:52:11 GMT -5
With the landowners permission, Yes I would, don't see anything wrong with shed hunting, not interfering in any way with the leasee's hunting of deer, now I know...... using the sheds for scouting... that's a crock, there are plenty of post season sign to scout without the sheds....... only thing the shed hunter is preventing is you being able to take the sheds to work and brag to your buddies or post pics of them here...... really don't see what the big deal is.......
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 18, 2011 16:55:52 GMT -5
Even with landowner permission I would not because I would be disrespecting a fellow sportsman knowing the leasing party would not like it. Using sheds to scout, and to take a census of whats accessing the property. How is that not useful? Besides, I wouldnt brag about my sheds. I wouldnt want trespassers knowing the quality of deer I have on my property.
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 18, 2011 17:27:32 GMT -5
Even with landowner permission I would not because I would be disrespecting a fellow sportsman knowing the leasing party would not like it. Using sheds to scout, and to take a census of whats accessing the property. How is that not useful? Besides, I wouldnt brag about my sheds. I wouldnt want trespassers knowing the quality of deer I have on my property. Again don't really see the big deal about a guy with the landowners permission shed hunting...... as for post season scouting, there are rubs, scrapes, trails that are much more telling than sheds, in my humble opinion this is another case of too much concern and importance being put on the size of antlers, which really doesn't matter to me, I am there for the hunt, the time in the woods, the challenge and to help feed my family, put three slick heads under your stand and try to stick one without getting busted, I often wonder how many guys would deer hunt at all, if they stopped growing antlers...........
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 18, 2011 17:45:29 GMT -5
Sheds tells you what made it through all the seasons and gives one hope for the next season. Tells you more than a line of rubs or scrapes that could be made a yearling forky.
If the shed huntter knew that another person had that ground leased it is not too cool to go behind his back and ask the landowner.
No, I would never do it.
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 18, 2011 18:31:42 GMT -5
Sheds tells you what made it through all the seasons and gives one hope for the next season. Tells you more than a line of rubs or scrapes that could be made a yearling forky. If the shed huntter knew that another person had that ground leased it is not too cool to go behind his back and ask the landowner. No, I would never do it. A line of rubs, scrapes and trails will give me much more information on how and where I will want to place stands and hunt,.... than sheds will, big difference between a rub made by a yearling forky and a nice eight..... if i am scouting a property, I am much more excited over a nice rub line on trees the size of my arm, scrapes, well defined trails and no sheds, than I am a property with a couple of sheds and no rubs, no scrapes or no well defined trails...... but I am hunting deer, not antlers...... again JMHO
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Post by lymanl3 on Mar 18, 2011 20:28:44 GMT -5
I agree, just because I find a shed doesnt mean Im gonna hang a stand near there. Sheds typically are found in bedding areas, and Im not gonna hang out in the bucks living room until its right...if ever. Ive seen pictures of small fork horns on big rubs. Big rubs dont always mean big bucks. I manage deer and we harvest many does, and I just happen to enjoy harvesting mature bucks. Point is the fella knew it was leased and undermined a fellow hunter bypassing him. The respectful thing to do would be to ask the hunter who has it leased. Wonder if he would let the other guy on his property to shed hunt?
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 18, 2011 20:59:41 GMT -5
I agree, just because I find a shed doesnt mean Im gonna hang a stand near there. Sheds typically are found in bedding areas, and Im not gonna hang out in the bucks living room until its right...if ever. Ive seen pictures of small fork horns on big rubs. Big rubs dont always mean big bucks. I manage deer and we harvest many does, and I just happen to enjoy harvesting mature bucks. Point is the fella knew it was leased and undermined a fellow hunter bypassing him. The respectful thing to do would be to ask the hunter who has it leased. Wonder if he would let the other guy on his property to shed hunt? If next year SAS is on here telling us the guy shed hunting has stolen his lease, then yes I will agree that he has undermined a fellow hunter and is very wrong in doing so, but if the guy was out there shed hunting for the sake of shed hutning, then I see no harm that has been done to his fellow hunter, as i have stated, I believe if there was a wrong done at this point, it was done by the landowner, who, in my opinion, should have told the guy, I have the land leased, let me check with the leasee, to see if he has a problem with it, isn't it up to the leasor to protect the rights of the leasee, along with the use of the property, isn't that what he is paying for, BTW, while we disagree on this matter, I have enjoyed reading what you have to say on it........
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Post by duff on Mar 19, 2011 7:02:04 GMT -5
Does it really matter if I would or wouldn't? I knock on lots of doors to ask permission to hunt. And alot of those places might have other people that already hunt them or maybe lease them. Does it really matter if you lease or were just granted permission? Bottom line if you expect to have exclusive rights to do whatever you want. You need to make sure it is part of the deal and that the land lord is well aware of what you think is included in your permission to hunt.
Lessons are learned every day. I wouldn't be too worked up over it.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 20, 2011 5:53:14 GMT -5
Does it really matter if I would or wouldn't? I knock on lots of doors to ask permission to hunt. And alot of those places might have other people that already hunt them or maybe lease them. Does it really matter if you lease or were just granted permission? Bottom line if you expect to have exclusive rights to do whatever you want. You need to make sure it is part of the deal and that the land lord is well aware of what you think is included in your permission to hunt. Lessons are learned every day. I wouldn't be too worked up over it. I'll get over it.... I was mostly intrigued by what I percieved as a pretty strong difference between the way people see things.Some folks, like myself, would feel uncomfortable looking for sheds on property leased by another, feeling that it's at the very least inconsiderate. Others, perfectly nice folks, seem to feel that if it isn't specified to the letter in an iron clad contract that it's fine if they get permission....kind of a spin on the old "Finders Keepers" mentality. Incredibly, at least one person in this thread thinks it's ok regardless as long as you don't get caught.Everyone keeps talking about the landowner and having permission, and that's niether here nor there. It's the mentality that interests me. IOW, Why do I think this is ok? Why do I think it's not? One thing's for sure....this particular senario involves greed. The man's 100+ acres isn't enough, so he has to scour my leased 30 acres?
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Post by woodmaster on Mar 20, 2011 7:53:27 GMT -5
If I had permission I would other wise it's tresspassing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 8:07:40 GMT -5
I still see the issue as a warning........I'd be seeking protection from this guy and others with a long term lease contract. You can imagine what will happen if the guy finds a gaint shed or two on his search. If he's in good enough with the landowner to bypass the current lease holder to search for sheds, he's in line to be the next lease holder.
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Post by duff on Mar 20, 2011 10:53:39 GMT -5
Does it really matter if I would or wouldn't? I knock on lots of doors to ask permission to hunt. And alot of those places might have other people that already hunt them or maybe lease them. Does it really matter if you lease or were just granted permission? Bottom line if you expect to have exclusive rights to do whatever you want. You need to make sure it is part of the deal and that the land lord is well aware of what you think is included in your permission to hunt. Lessons are learned every day. I wouldn't be too worked up over it. I'll get over it.... I was mostly intrigued by what I percieved as a pretty strong difference between the way people see things.Some folks, like myself, would feel uncomfortable looking for sheds on property leased by another, feeling that it's at the very least inconsiderate. Others, perfectly nice folks, seem to feel that if it isn't specified to the letter in an iron clad contract that it's fine if they get permission....kind of a spin on the old "Finders Keepers" mentality. Incredibly, at least one person in this thread thinks it's ok regardless as long as you don't get caught.Everyone keeps talking about the landowner and having permission, and that's niether here nor there. It's the mentality that interests me. IOW, Why do I think this is ok? Why do I think it's not? One thing's for sure....this particular senario involves greed. The man's 100+ acres isn't enough, so he has to scour my leased 30 acres? I know exactly what you are saying. What I am saying why does it even have to be a lease? What if it was just granted pemission, does that change your attitude? Let's say I am hunting there with permission granted by the land lord. You know I hunt there would you ask permission to hunt there or look for sheds on that same piece? Or does it just have to be leased before you not ask permission? The guys I hunt with have one set of common rules. If I take you to my spot you never go back there without me, don't bring extra people without permission, don't intrude on the land lord without consent from me, and same goes for me when going to your spot. It works well for us but I certainly would not expect others to follow those rules. I am not trying to bust your chops on this just saying it is pretty high expectations to think everyone is going to have the same expectations when it comes to your ethics. Does it suck? Sure does but if the guy asked the land owner and he agreed, there is a breakdown of communications between the lease holder and the land owner. You won't be able to tell everyone and their brother to stay off your lease if the land lord is granting permission. Good luck!
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 20, 2011 12:59:11 GMT -5
With permission I would.
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Post by indianahick on Mar 20, 2011 15:51:07 GMT -5
The only persons permission that should count in any Honest Persons mind is that of the person doing the leasing. A lease is just like renting a house only you rent it to hunt on not live in. Sometimes there are restrictions such as no turkey hunting or mushroom. Asking the land owner to be able to shed hunt on someone else's lease would be tantamount to going to the rental agent for a home or apartment and then walking out with a television or computer. PRETTY Dog Gone Low in my book.
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 20, 2011 19:43:30 GMT -5
The only persons permission that should count in any Honest Persons mind is that of the person doing the leasing. A lease is just like renting a house only you rent it to hunt on not live in. Sometimes there are restrictions such as no turkey hunting or mushroom. Asking the land owner to be able to shed hunt on someone else's lease would be tantamount to going to the rental agent for a home or apartment and then walking out with a television or computer. PRETTY Dog Gone Low in my book. you rent it to hunt...........Hunting season is over
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 20, 2011 19:44:07 GMT -5
I'll get over it.... I was mostly intrigued by what I percieved as a pretty strong difference between the way people see things.Some folks, like myself, would feel uncomfortable looking for sheds on property leased by another, feeling that it's at the very least inconsiderate. Others, perfectly nice folks, seem to feel that if it isn't specified to the letter in an iron clad contract that it's fine if they get permission....kind of a spin on the old "Finders Keepers" mentality. Incredibly, at least one person in this thread thinks it's ok regardless as long as you don't get caught.Everyone keeps talking about the landowner and having permission, and that's niether here nor there. It's the mentality that interests me. IOW, Why do I think this is ok? Why do I think it's not? One thing's for sure....this particular senario involves greed. The man's 100+ acres isn't enough, so he has to scour my leased 30 acres? I know exactly what you are saying. What I am saying why does it even have to be a lease? What if it was just granted pemission, does that change your attitude? Let's say I am hunting there with permission granted by the land lord. You know I hunt there would you ask permission to hunt there or look for sheds on that same piece? Or does it just have to be leased before you not ask permission? The guys I hunt with have one set of common rules. If I take you to my spot you never go back there without me, don't bring extra people without permission, don't intrude on the land lord without consent from me, and same goes for me when going to your spot. It works well for us but I certainly would not expect others to follow those rules. I am not trying to bust your chops on this just saying it is pretty high expectations to think everyone is going to have the same expectations when it comes to your ethics. Does it suck? Sure does but if the guy asked the land owner and he agreed, there is a breakdown of communications between the lease holder and the land owner. You won't be able to tell everyone and their brother to stay off your lease if the land lord is granting permission. Good luck! I think the key difference with the lease is that one guy paid money and another did not, where if we are just talking open land then that would naturally be whoever finds them (sheds) wins. I see what you are saying, but I never felt "possessive" at all about somewhere I had permission. Of course I never thought I had the "right" to keep anybody off. I was just amazed that someone would be that (in my view) inconsiderate. I used to hunt a big piece of property, and there was a particular group of folks that thought they ran the place, which seemed absurd to me. When I hunted there, I tried my best not to interfere with other hunters, even to the point of staying home if I saw a truck parked somewhere.
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Post by randolphcounty on Mar 20, 2011 20:01:34 GMT -5
Does it really matter if I would or wouldn't? I knock on lots of doors to ask permission to hunt. And alot of those places might have other people that already hunt them or maybe lease them. Does it really matter if you lease or were just granted permission? Bottom line if you expect to have exclusive rights to do whatever you want. You need to make sure it is part of the deal and that the land lord is well aware of what you think is included in your permission to hunt. Lessons are learned every day. I wouldn't be too worked up over it. I'll get over it.... I was mostly intrigued by what I percieved as a pretty strong difference between the way people see things.Some folks, like myself, would feel uncomfortable looking for sheds on property leased by another, feeling that it's at the very least inconsiderate. Others, perfectly nice folks, seem to feel that if it isn't specified to the letter in an iron clad contract that it's fine if they get permission....kind of a spin on the old "Finders Keepers" mentality. Incredibly, at least one person in this thread thinks it's ok regardless as long as you don't get caught.Everyone keeps talking about the landowner and having permission, and that's niether here nor there. It's the mentality that interests me. IOW, Why do I think this is ok? Why do I think it's not? One thing's for sure....this particular senario involves greed. The man's 100+ acres isn't enough, so he has to scour my leased 30 acres? In my opinion it is ok because the person hunting sheds in no way interfered with your hunt, to this point, he is not trying to move in on your lease, he was not on the land during the season or at anytime where him being there hurt your chances of taking game, I can not see where this person has done you a wrong or been inconsiderate to you, you pay the landowner to hunt deer.... deer season is over, why should this person need your permission to hunt sheds, after the season, your claim to the land is expired, unless of course, you have a year long, exclusive lease, and if you do, then again it should have fallen on the landowner to protect your rights, but looks to me like he saw your claim to the land expiring at the end of deer season too, had the person been walking around out there in Oct., then yes, I would be saying he did you a wrong, molesting your hunt...... but he did not and quite honestly, I really don't see the big deal in a couple sheds..... so what, there is one thing i have been wondering...... have you discussed with the landowner, your unhappiness with the way he is protecting your rights under the contract you have with him ?
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Post by indianahick on Mar 21, 2011 11:32:57 GMT -5
Wrong Randolph, I rented it for a time period. One year. That makes you a trespasser. It was rented for fishing, hunting (all kinds including mushroom). If I had only rented for 3 months to deer hunt then I don't have a reason to complain.
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