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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2010 12:35:19 GMT -5
Mark Reiter used to think he could put deer hunters into four categories. He now knows it’s not that simple.
Reiter’s epiphany came during a series of open-house meetings that he and others from the DNR Division of Fish & Wildlife conducted in August to explain proposed changes to deer hunting regulations.
“Most of us involved in the open houses didn’t realize that so many people view deer hunting in so many different ways that it’s difficult to categorize an average deer hunter,” said Reiter, director of the Division of Fish & Wildlife. “This showed that everybody has their own personal twist.”
Bryan Poynter is chairman of the Natural Resources Commission that gave preliminary approval to the proposed rules in July and ultimately will decide if the new rules receive final approval as written or in some amended form. He agrees with Reiter.
“This issue touches so many people and is a very personal thing,” he said. “They may have deer hunting in common, but you can’t pigeonhole them or stereotype them into one bucket, two buckets, or three.
“There’s such a personal dynamic around deer hunting traditions and heritage that it’s no wonder this type of action generates such passion when it’s affecting somebody.”
The proposed rules were the outgrowth of a comprehensive NRC review of all fish and wildlife regulations that began two years ago.
“We said we were going to do something really bold, and then trust the process and the end users of our natural resources to tell us what they think—good or bad,” Poynter said.
By Sept. 1, nearly 3,000 people had told the NRC what they thought about the proposed deer rules through written comments, and the five DNR open houses drew about 300 visitors.
What some thought was a done deal has a long way to go. In fact, the NRC’s preliminary approval of the proposed rules was only the fifth of more than 30 steps needed before a rule becomes final.
“The process is designed to be slow, deliberative and comprehensive,” Poynter said. “As we go through the rule-making process there are natural checks and balances that help assess what’s positive and what’s negative.
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Post by 76chevy on Oct 27, 2010 12:46:05 GMT -5
Woody:
where do you think discussions are at now regarding these proposals??
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Post by swilk on Oct 27, 2010 12:48:39 GMT -5
I most usually chuckle when folks use the "average deer hunter" or "majority of deer hunters".
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 27, 2010 17:31:06 GMT -5
I most usually chuckle when folks use the "average deer hunter" or "majority of deer hunters". I have to be honest I have seen more diversity on hunting issues at this website than I have anywhere, in any hunting community I've been a part of in my life.. Almost all bowhunters I meet, or have met, are pretty much the same, in every State I've hunted , with much of the same beliefs and passion about whitetails and conservation....I hear more debate and bickering on here about " proposed rules changes" and other subjects that pertain to hunting than any hunting camp,site or otherwise I've ever been in...and I've been in, and on, many...I really enjoy the site here, or I'd of left a long time ago....but the politics of hunting is a big turn off for me....such is life these days though...our whole Country is split down the middle on everything and every issue...why should hunting be any differnet?...guess I'm lucky to live in an area where most hunters are happy with the way things are, and know to leave well enough alone...not sure where were headed, but if the politicians are involved in the hunting process... we're screwed!! I can Guarantee ya that much!
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Post by swilk on Oct 27, 2010 19:51:59 GMT -5
I most usually chuckle when folks use the "average deer hunter" or "majority of deer hunters". I have to be honest I have seen more diversity on hunting issues at this website than I have anywhere, in any hunting community I've been a part of in my life.. Almost all bowhunters I meet, or have met, are pretty much the same, in every State I've hunted , with much of the same beliefs and passion about whitetails and conservation....I hear more debate and bickering on here about " proposed rules changes" and other subjects that pertain to hunting than any hunting camp,site or otherwise I've ever been in...and I've been in, and on, many...I really enjoy the site here, or I'd of left a long time ago....but the politics of hunting is a big turn off for me....such is life these days though...our whole Country is split down the middle on everything and every issue...why should hunting be any differnet?...guess I'm lucky to live in an area where most hunters are happy with the way things are, and know to leave well enough alone...not sure where were headed, but if the politicians are involved in the hunting process... we're screwed!! I can Guarantee ya that much! Honestly I think most here are a good bunch of guys ..... just a whole lot of strong opinions. But, that is a good thing IMO. It gets a guy to think about the different perspectives on matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2010 20:24:14 GMT -5
Imo, they still have it wrong. They didn't hear from the average deerhunter, they heard from the die hards that didn't want drastic unneeded changes in season structure. They may learn that the day of pulling a fast one is over, thanks to web sites like this one. They are lucky that the average guy still hasn't heard about it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 28, 2010 8:52:04 GMT -5
Woody: where do you think discussions are at now regarding these proposals?? Good question.....they are pretty hush-hush about it. I would look to see something out in about two weeks or less. It appears that the ISR is taking the stance of if there is no shortening of the gun season they wont support any antlerless reduction seasons. They think it is going "too far, too fast". They originally backed the shortened gun and MZ seasons and the antlerless reductions seasons as it would theoretically kill more deer. Now they think the present season with the same antlerless seasons will be going "too far, too fast". Explain that one to me.
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Post by tickman1961 on Oct 28, 2010 8:55:39 GMT -5
Woody: where do you think discussions are at now regarding these proposals?? Good question.....they are pretty hush-hush about it. I would look to see something out in about two weeks or less. It appears that the ISR is taking the stance of if there is no shortening of the gun season they wont support any antlerless reduction seasons. They think it is going "too far, too fast". They originally backed the shortened gun and MZ seasons and the antlerless reductions seasons as it would theoretically kill more deer. Now they think the present season with the same antlerless seasons will be going "too far, too fast". Explain that one to me. Double speak - talking out of bothsides of their mouths is typical for folks who want to control others way of thinking.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 28, 2010 9:00:30 GMT -5
I most usually chuckle when folks use the "average deer hunter" or "majority of deer hunters". I have to be honest I have seen more diversity on hunting issues at this website than I have anywhere, in any hunting community I've been a part of in my life..
That is becasue we encourage people to debate the issues. On some other sites any opposing views are shouted down and if that doesn't work they ban people..
Almost all bowhunters I meet, or have met, are pretty much the same, in every State I've hunted , with much of the same beliefs and passion about whitetails and conservation....I hear more debate and bickering on here about " proposed rules changes" and other subjects that pertain to hunting than any hunting camp,site or otherwise I've ever been in...and I've been in, and on, many...
True, but deer hunting rules should not be made just for 'bowhunters". We are all fellow hunters.
I really enjoy the site here, or I'd of left a long time ago....but the politics of hunting is a big turn off for me....such is life these days though...our whole Country is split down the middle on everything and every issue...why should hunting be any differnet?...guess I'm lucky to live in an area where most hunters are happy with the way things are, and know to leave well enough alone...
I think most on here agree with - "happy with the way things are, and know to leave well enough alone..." Unfortunately some others want to change that. So whe push comes to shove I applaud everyone for standing up for what they believe in. Then let the chips fall wher they may.
not sure where were headed, but if the politicians are involved in the hunting process... we're screwed!! I can Guarantee ya that much
Politicians are already involved. Ths whole process is political
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Post by racktracker on Oct 28, 2010 9:14:19 GMT -5
Imo, they still have it wrong. They didn't hear from the average deerhunter, they heard from the die hards that didn't want drastic unneeded changes in season structure. They may learn that the day of pulling a fast one is over, thanks to web sites like this one. They are lucky that the average guy still hasn't heard about it. Hitting the nail on the head! The overwhelming majority of Indiana "average deerhunters" still do not have a clue as to what is going on. May the good Lord help the DNR if they do try to pull one over on the "average deerhunters". Wake up that sleeping giant and they will be contacting their legislators and NOT the NRC. What the DNR and NRC has seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 28, 2010 11:34:12 GMT -5
Woody: where do you think discussions are at now regarding these proposals?? We will know a week or two before the next NRC meeting.. The Natural Resources Commission will next meet on November 16, 2010, at 10:00 a.m., EST (9:00 a.m., CST), The Garrison, Fort Harrison State Park, Ballroom, 6002 North Post Road, Indianapolis, Indiana. The November meeting agenda will be posted here when available. www.in.gov/nrc/2350.htm
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 28, 2010 20:48:29 GMT -5
I think why you see more bickering on this website, is that you have some hard headed old timers on here! ;D
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Post by racktracker on Oct 29, 2010 7:12:09 GMT -5
I think why you see more bickering on this website, is that you have some hard headed old timers on here! ;D The reason that there is more disagreements and debating (the word "bickering" doesn't fit) here is because there are a LOT more posts here than other sites. I frequent several other Indiana sites and this one is at least three times as busy as the others. More people checking in, more posts, more disagreements. That is natural. But, there is nothing wrong with disagreements. No body is 100% right, 100% of the time.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 29, 2010 14:01:03 GMT -5
Woody: where do you think discussions are at now regarding these proposals?? 76chevy, I've been told that they will not change the gun season or MZ seasons. Starting date and length of the gun season will remain the same as it is this year. But, there is a distinct possibilty of extending the MZ season. Crossbows in archery was thumbed down again. They don't want to whiz off their bowhunter "stakeholder/task force".
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